Perya (Town Fair) - a Canon 7D Short

You are still limited to the sensor's capabilities.

This pre-grading, as you call it, is part the cinematographer's job. Creating the palette, mood, etc is a huge part of pre-production, not something to be determined in post. Ideally, it is a collaboration between the director, cinematographer, set designer, wardrobe, etc.
 
A sensor has a set of capabilities and characteristics

The RED (and digital medium format) have the sensor/brain/digiback seperable from the rest of the kit

so just like you can shoot a certain film stock on different devices so one should be able to move your sensor around or choose a different one

S
 
Well, they aren't high enough yet.

And I care because - and you must realize I approach this as a cinematographer (though I'm very much an amateur...) - I am hired to create the image. This goes far beyond setting up a camera and holding focus. Certainly things can be replicated in post, but if you know what you want (and most young filmmakers don't), you should begin there, not end there.
 
morgan_moore said:
A sensor has a set of capabilities and characteristics

The RED (and digital medium format) have the sensor/brain/digiback seperable from the rest of the kit

so just like you can shoot a certain film stock on different devices so one should be able to move your sensor around or choose a different one

S
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Right, which is why I commend RED's future use of the "brain," which is a great concept so long as they don't change formats and hose their uses again.

I apologize now for thread-crapping...but there's just been a lot of that recently :undecided
 
Film stock for motion pictures will die, that is for sure. That is reality. Whoever denies that fact will be proven wrong in the not too distant future. When everything else is digital; as almost everything is now with the exception of the cinemas that project film, which eventually when they can afford it will switch to digital; there will be absolutely no need to shoot film anymore. There will be a generation in that not too distant future that will only know about film stock when they read about it the history books, thats digital books of course.
 
Ha! Film stock is getting better and better every day.
Non of the existing sensors comes even close.

Almost every stock is scanned today for post/VFX - so from there it´s digital anyway.

Distribution, yeah probably they distribute digital in the future, just because it´s cheaper.

Till some Aliens come to that secret airbase in New Mexico and bring us a different sensor technology (as they did with the Transistor and the cell phone) high end film stock and digital will live side by side. ;-)

Frank
 
Yes and its exciting to watch this revolution,film stock will be obsolete,too expensive,its that simple
 
Just wait til Ultra High Def hits like HD did. That isn't far away. And by that time there will be all kinds of new goodies to replace the old. I predict in 10 years it will be hard to find a movie shot on film. That is if 2012 doesn't kill everybody before.
 
Postmaster said:
Ha! Film stock is getting better and better every day.
Non of the existing sensors comes even close.
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I'm really not sure what you're saying here. I just saw "Gamer" which looks like a virtual demo reel for Red One. That movie more than any other probably demonstrates its capabilities as it has so many looks throughout the film. I can't think of any movie shot on 35mm film that could really out shine it look wise. The movie was crap, but it demonstrates pretty thoroughly how good digital sensors are. ...not even close??? really? I'm a film photographer with more than 20 years experience. Let's just admit digital is as good as film and move on. The difference is negligable.

This reminds of of discussions that I've had with audio engineers that would proclaim if it's not 2" 30 ips reel to reel Studer it ain't sh#$%.

It seems inevitable that film will cease someday sooner rather than later. I don't have any experience with it, but all things being close to equal, what director wouldn't want to review takes immediately rather than wait for dailiies. It seems like film making is just to costly to wait until the end of the day, and anything that would give immediate feed back would be embraced.
 
Oh man!

really amazing footage.

Nice compositions, great editing, and very interesting subject matter. Its seeing stuff like this that keeps me inspired and motivated. Great work.

The 7D is just a killer camera.... between this camera, Nikon's new one coming out, and RED's Scarlet.... oh man! Us image makers are the real winners.
 
f64manray said:
what director wouldn't want to review takes immediately rather than wait for dailiies
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Funny, they already have videocams running simultaneously with film cams to review the shots. Not exactly the same, but at least can check framing and acting.
 
Cranky said:
Funny, they already have videocams running simultaneously with film cams to review the shots. Not exactly the same, but at least can check framing and acting.
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Yeah, I'm aware of that, but if I were a director and especially a DP, I would want to verify that what we shot is in the can and backed up before moving on. I would be a nervous wreck if I clouldn't do that.

I don't want to hear: "ummm ...Yeah....you know that $100,000 day yesterday with those scenes of Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise ....Ummm...didn't work out so well." Sure I'd just blame the lab, but still. :-)
 
Once again, motion picture film stock will die, the same way stills film stock is. Is an evolution. And it can't be stopped no matter how on denial many people are.
 
Film is still the greatest archival method where it's going to last a hundred years if stored properly... and there should be a way to deal with it.. but with other tech it comes and goes so fast so what does it matter?

That being said.. film is a PITA on so many levels and I certainly don't miss it. I don't miss the grain and the dealing with labs and the dailies and of course the expense. I would think anyone as a true purist would want to cut on a flatbed and not even transfer to digital to work on an NLE and man alive that sucks.

I'm just not ready to give up the freedoms and the things I've come accustomed to for a level of nostalgia and an "organic feel". To me, film has been dead for atleast 5 years. Even if someone else is paying for it.. I'm still going to be all pissed about the workarounds and that's just a bummer.
 
f64manray said:
It seems inevitable that film will cease someday sooner rather than later. I don't have any experience with it, but all things being close to equal, what director wouldn't want to review takes immediately rather than wait for dailiies. It seems like film making is just to costly to wait until the end of the day, and anything that would give immediate feed back would be embraced.
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Terrence Malick never, ever reviews dailies. And Terrence Malick probably has the greatest cinematography in cinematic history.

Film won't die. It will be around, for a long, long, long time. It has a certain aesthetic that cannot be reproduced digitally. Ever.
 
Of course it can be reproduced digitally. Every film that has had a DI has landed back on film through a digital pipeline. It's the qaulity of the sensor that keeps changing and improving; if you have the time to scan film with a laser it's not like it degrades from being digitized. Digital is not the problem here, only the acquisition technology.
 
Jean Dantes said:
Terrence Malick never, ever reviews dailies. And Terrence Malick probably has the greatest cinematography in cinematic history.

Film won't die. It will be around, for a long, long, long time. It has a certain aesthetic that cannot be reproduced digitally. Ever.
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Yes, but taking a movie and editing it down by half the original runtime...haha. Thin Red Line is my all time favorite movie for what he and John Toll did, but the way it was done was horribly inconsistent. Entire parts and cast members cut out...maybe dailies would have helped in the grand scope of things. I don't know. It could just be the 3AM eating my brain
 
Jean Dantes said:
Film won't die. It will be around, for a long, long, long time. It has a certain aesthetic that cannot be reproduced digitally. Ever.
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LOL. Famous last words.

That's what the stills photographers said 5-7 years ago.

That what the tube guitar amp afficionados said before it started raining amp emulator plug-ins for ProTools.

That's what the typesetters said when PageMaker 1.0 came out on dot matrix printers.

--X
 
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