Perya (Town Fair) - a Canon 7D Short

ProjX v2.0 said:
Me too, Luis.

It's just nice for that segment of the filmmaking industry to be recognized positively for a change. :beer:
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Agreed - I may have taken that comment the wrong way, and assumed it was some sort of slight a the filmmakers
(who clearly have some chops - so i guess they don't need me defending them)

:thumbsup:
 
Is it just me or does all those Video-Still-Cameras have the same errr.. "signature"?

When I was younger we played a game with the other editors called "tell that country".

It goes like this: You flick thru the TV programs and look just 5 seconds to each.
Then you have to tell if it is a German, American, French or English production.
Each had it´s own signature (back in those days of Betacam and U-Matic)

Yeah I know that sounds strange but we had a pretty high hit rate.
The same happened to me last week when I saw "Knowing" the first time.
I did not know that it was shot on RED but I could tell it by the cameras signature - a special look that is unique but hard to describe.

And now I find the new still cameras have an even stronger signature. It almost screams in your face "DSLR!!" and it´s not only the typical DOF.

Frank
 
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Postmaster said:
Is it just me or does all those Video-Still-Cameras have the same errr.. "signature"?

When I was younger we played a game with the other editors called "tell that country".

It gores like this: You flick thru the TV programs and look just 5 seconds to each.
Then you have to tell if it is a German, American, French or English production.
Each had it´s own signature (back in those days of Betacam and U-Matic)

Yeah I know that sounds strange but we had a pretty high hit rate.
The same happened to me last week when I saw "Knowing" the first time.
I did not know that it was shot on RED but I could tell it by the cameras signature - a special look that is unique but hard to describe.

And now I find the new still cameras have an even stronger signature. It almost screams in your face "DSLR!!" and it´s not only the typical DOF.

Frank
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Could that possibly be due to the such beautiful/crisp footage they produce? haha
 
Yeah Frank I definitely agree, there's a visual aesthetic at play that, while I'm not being judgmental positively or negatively, really asserts itself
 
I´m not sure yet, if I really like it (that string signature).
Probably it´s to clean to be true ;-) Maybe it needs some grain to make it more organic.

I´m gonna rent a D5 next week and see how the codec handles color grading.

Frank
 
Definitely. I think D90 and Nikon in general has a very distinct look. And I can look at GH1 and it's got it's own feel. 5D has that super smooth buttery look and 7D is an extension of that.
 
Postmaster said:
Is it just me or does all those Video-Still-Cameras have the same errr.. "signature"?

When I was younger we played a game with the other editors called "tell that country".

It gores like this: You flick thru the TV programs and look just 5 seconds to each.
Then you have to tell if it is a German, American, French or English production.
Each had it´s own signature (back in those days of Betacam and U-Matic)

Yeah I know that sounds strange but we had a pretty high hit rate.
The same happened to me last week when I saw "Knowing" the first time.
I did not know that it was shot on RED but I could tell it by the cameras signature - a special look that is unique but hard to describe.

And now I find the new still cameras have an even stronger signature. It almost screams in your face "DSLR!!" and it´s not only the typical DOF.

Frank
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i completely get that same thing. all the DSLR's have the same "feeling" to the image. go back a few pages in this thread and i mention it :beer: i wonder what causes it?

they don't look like RED but they do look like a Sony F35.... or at least my memory of what the F35 looks like... kinda weird
 
That was really amazing. I want to get one. Used to go to those "peryahan" (town fairs) when I was a kid. I miss going back to peryahan during christmas and new years. Proud to be Pinoy. Great work Jason and the gang. Cheers!
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Definitely. I think D90 and Nikon in general has a very distinct look. And I can look at GH1 and it's got it's own feel. 5D has that super smooth buttery look and 7D is an extension of that.
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Could be wrong, but I swear this is placebo. It's all in your head guys.
 
ProjX v2.0 said:
You guys know that this clip was put together by wedding filmmakers, right? Just sayin....
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Yes you're absolutely correct. Jason Magbanua is also the leading wedding videographer in the Philippines, he won numerous awards in the P.I. and abroad. Check out his work here:

http://jasonmagbanua.com/blog/

Amazing stuff.

Although he said that he's not actually into filmmaking like using 24p. I think he uses 30p and 60p for his wedding coverage.

Sorry if it's off topic.
 
jenningsp said:
i completely get that same thing. all the DSLR's have the same "feeling" to the image. go back a few pages in this thread and i mention it :beer: i wonder what causes it?

they don't look like RED but they do look like a Sony F35.... or at least my memory of what the F35 looks like... kinda weird
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Funny you say that, I have been feeling like most of the 7D footage I've seen has a very F35 quality too. However, an F35 for $1600... yes please!

Seems to me that it will be fairly tricky to get a fully subconscious "cinematic" feeling with these cameras. Highly controlled lighting will help. Smooth camera movement certainly does. But then, wasn't it always tricky - even with 35mm film? I've seen plenty of films shot on 35mm that break my concentration away from plot, whether it's excess grain, an odd bump while hand held, a bad gate 'creak'... all sorts of thing.

My ultimate goal is to make something that takes every tiny step to stay out of the way of characters and story... and I'm looking forward to figuring out how to be graceful and inconspicuous with the 7D. After, that is my true definition of "cinematic" - graceful, while inconspicuous.
 
I am a GH1 user myself so I want to put that aside. As a filmmaker I think this little piece was great. I think it sucks that the focus has been all about the camera instead of the great little story he has told. That is not a world I want to get involved with myself. Aside from all the hype I think this video was great and it wouldn't matter what camera was used. Good job at capturing the moment.
 
Postmaster said:
Is it just me or does all those Video-Still-Cameras have the same errr.. "signature"?

When I was younger we played a game with the other editors called "tell that country".

It goes like this: You flick thru the TV programs and look just 5 seconds to each.
Then you have to tell if it is a German, American, French or English production.
Each had it´s own signature (back in those days of Betacam and U-Matic)

Yeah I know that sounds strange but we had a pretty high hit rate.
The same happened to me last week when I saw "Knowing" the first time.
I did not know that it was shot on RED but I could tell it by the cameras signature - a special look that is unique but hard to describe.

And now I find the new still cameras have an even stronger signature. It almost screams in your face "DSLR!!" and it´s not only the typical DOF.

Frank
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Nearly all digital images look the same. That's why everyone says "looks like RED footage!" The better the image gets, the less distinct it is. 35mm Adapters and lens choice actually helped separate visuals a lot, depending on which one you got and which lens set you picked up.

As far as I'm concerned the 7D produced the same image as the GH-1 @ 1080/24 just with better compression.

This may be still a premature statement but it'll never be film: where every single movie LOOKS different when acquired on celluloid. I had this same long discussion on set with camera department (all comprised of Union people who come from film and still shoot film, including the DP-- I'm the only digital guy lol) and they're right.

All RED movies have the same odd "look" to them. Or just about all digital features. Film, though. I mean, go watch any three movies shot on 35mm in the last year and look how DIFFERENT they all look. They were all shot on film, possibly even the same cameras but be damned if they don't look like completely different properties.

I don't think we'll ever get that with Digital, and it's just another reason why Film is nowhere near dead, dying or anything. The cost to shoot S16mm has already dropped drastically, and apparently so has S35mm. It's a matter of time before it's feasible and cost effective to shoot Film and half of us are shooting Organic, the other half Digital.
 
Kholi said:
The cost to shoot S16mm has already dropped drastically, and apparently so has S35mm. It's a matter of time before it's feasible and cost effective to shoot Film and half of us are shooting Organic, the other half Digital.
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So are you saying that there's gonna be an actual resurgence of film because it's gonna be that much cheaper in the forseable future? That would be pretty interesting and really cool. At that point do you think the average look of film would suffer since people without experience would be trying it out for kicks or braging rights?
 
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