pc and the HvX

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brianluce

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Lotsa people here are dismissing the pc as workstation for the hvx, claiming the mac is better blah blah. from what i've read that indeed seems to be the case. but all it means is at the moment, at a time when the hvx hasn't really even been released yet, that the mac has a head start. Let's resume this topic a year from now when the hvx has saturated the market and all the video geeks have had time to tinker and the third parties and big players like adobe have joined the game. I think the story will read much differently.

this place is instant gratification city. the limited early shipment has people outraged and ready to firebomb panasonic and crucify poor retailers like Rush. The pc has been dismissed because mac is readly to rock and roll with a camera that nobody has yet. dudes, the cameras will get here when they get here. that's a promise.
 
I would hate to think I'd have to wait a year to edit my footage. I don't think you can blame the guys who are looking to get an HVX now to want to be able to edit the images they take. Undoubtedly, as time goes on Windows based machines will catch up. I think the biggest concern I've heard on this issue is from the Vegas guys and their problem is more a Sony/Panasonic issue than PC/Mac.
 
I dismissed the PC years ago because I like the integrated workflow of Final Cut Pro's studio lineup. There are those of us who feel it is a better choice for our work. We'll come back in a year and see how your workflow is shaping up. In the meantime I'm making preparations for my HVX now so when it does arrive in the next month or two I'm good to go.
 
Blaine said:
I would hate to think I'd have to wait a year to edit my footage. I don't think you can blame the guys who are looking to get an HVX now to want to be able to edit the images they take. Undoubtedly, as time goes on Windows based machines will catch up. I think the biggest concern I've heard on this issue is from the Vegas guys and their problem is more a Sony/Panasonic issue than PC/Mac.
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A year from now we may all still be waiting for the HVX!!!!!
 
I believe if you work directly with the MXF files from the P2 card - rather than capturing over Firewire for example - Avid Xpress Pro will work fine.
 
of course no-one can be sure, but I wouldn't write adobe off.

Premiere pro was released in sept 03 - basically a copy of FCP and a much improved/redesgined editor over 6.5. They are due for an upgrade anytime soon and I'm hoping it'll be a major one. Rumour is that it supports DVCPROHD but Adobe don't announce anything literally until a few weeks before shipment.
 
Oz, I believe you are completely correct that you can edit from P2 on Avid Pro with a PC if you work with the MXF files. But people here would rather run screaming into the night spreading bad information, than do a little research. A rather elegant workflow I might add.

This camera and the P2 workflow will have a natural break in time. When you work on the bleeding edge, you are going to bleed some.
 
"I think the biggest concern I've heard on this issue is from the Vegas guys and their problem is more a Sony/Panasonic issue than PC/Mac."

Vegas is indeed the first thing that comes to mind, but I don't see why people assume it's a Sony resistance issue. After all, Vegas supports the DVX's 24P cadence. My beef is that Panasonic is leaving it up to every single vendor to reinvent the wheel and come up with their own codec. Why not just release one official DVCPro codec and enable all Windows NLEs with one shot? And this would give people consistent quality, and one place to turn for bug reports and updates. It's in Panasonic's interest to ensure good quality and widespread operability.

Many of us already paid for NLEs that would be just fine for this material. But we have to wait for different vendors to dribble out their versions of the same codec, piecemeal? Lame.

It's not a "Windows catching up" issue either. That idea overlooks an important difference between Windows and Mac. On the Mac, the OS maker, the hardware maker, the dominant NLE maker, and the media-file-format maker are ONE COMPANY. So it's in that company's interest to spend time writing codecs. But there is no equivalent company on the IBM-compatible side. Microsoft doesn't make an NLE. Myriad computer vendors don't care. The NLE vendors aren't going to spend development time and money writing codecs and then give them away. So that leaves Panasonic as the only entity whose interest in its cameras crosses all boundaries on the Windows side, making Panasonic the logical source of a codec or "driver" for this camera. Just as Epson provides drivers for its printers, and doesn't wait for Microsoft or IBM or OpenOffice to write them.
 
greenheron said:
Oz, I believe you are completely correct that you can edit from P2 on Avid Pro with a PC if you work with the MXF files. But people here would rather run screaming into the night spreading bad information, than do a little research. A rather elegant workflow I might add.

This camera and the P2 workflow will have a natural break in time. When you work on the bleeding edge, you are going to bleed some.
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Nicely put, greenheron.

Did you see my reply to you on the other thread? I'm using Avid Xpress Pro HD with DVCPro HD and HDV and DV footage, all in the same timeline, just capture and edit, no rendering.

http://www.avid.com/resources/whitepapers/HDDoneRight.pdf

http://www.avid.com/products/xpressprohd/features.asp

I just have to get my hands on an HVX200 (maybe by the end of the month) to put the remainder of the PC bashing to rest. All I am aware of that Xpress Pro HD will not do yet is 1080p. And that is coming. :thumbsup:

Regards,

Cre8tive
 
But there is no equivalent company on the IBM-compatible side
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There are no IBM compatibles anymore, there were legal battles over this, it's called: x86 :)

.Just as Epson provides drivers for its printers, and doesn't wait for Microsoft or IBM or OpenOffice to write them.
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Writing drivers has nothing to do with codecs, there are in an entirely different time-space area, also Panasonic does provide a driver for being able to read P2 cards and is definitely not the one responsible for proper support in an NLE that's the job of the NLE software, provided Panasonic has an SDK which of course has.

Cheers.
 
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