Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update
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John Caballero
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Thanks Barry. The trailer looks excellent.
One cinematographer's jello is another man's dessert.
PappasArts
Veteran
At least in jello-vision you can tell that the character is holding a gun.
In mud-vision; you can't tell whether it's a slice of chocolate cake or a fist full of lint from the dryer.
If they remade Twister today , Jan de Bont could just use GH1's and start spinning them violently to generate the muddy/dirty looking twisters with out hiring ILM.
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John Caballero
Veteran
Only if you pan of course. I guess jello vision at 30FPS has its artistic place. At least we have a choice: jello or mud. Which one tastes better?
Barry_Green
Moderator
And, by your interpretation, that means the one with twice the price?
Look, this thread is for people to figure out how to work with the GH1, not to come in trying to prosletyze them to the Canon. If all you have to say is "get the Canon", well, you've said it, so please move on.
John Caballero
Veteran
Yep, all the Canon owners and promoters would you kindly move on to the Canon 5D forum. Thats your home folks.
SonicStates
Well-known member
That was awesome.
Now, I know I'm going to get burned for this but with all due respect to everyone here I think even the dead horse is starting to feel resentment at the flogging it is receiving.
It's unfortunate that other cameras keep coming up in this thread. For the money, this camera is great. Would be very difficult to beat. It can do what the 5D can't at twice the price. If I ever gave the impression that it's a poor choice that was never my intent. There is no doubt people will shoot fantastic material with the GH1.
Thread was locked for a bit.
Did some clean up.
Unlocking.
There's a point where making a the same pointover and over again becomes thread crapping. If you've made a point about the MII move on.
The topic of this thread = GH1 specifically the MUD issue in panning in some modes, how bad is it, and what can be done about it.
Thread crapping = at least an infraction from here on out if not banning.
Personal attacks = banning from here on out. Zero tolerance mode.
Did some clean up.
Unlocking.
There's a point where making a the same pointover and over again becomes thread crapping. If you've made a point about the MII move on.
The topic of this thread = GH1 specifically the MUD issue in panning in some modes, how bad is it, and what can be done about it.
Thread crapping = at least an infraction from here on out if not banning.
Personal attacks = banning from here on out. Zero tolerance mode.
Mattykins
Cute Member
I haven't read the entire thread. But I can't help but think something went terribly awry in the process of shooting that.
I think this might be the same situation that happened when the HV20 came out. People didn't properly test it, they pushed the camera too far, posted the, now infamous - jello, and started to complain. Whereas I have never ever experienced anything similar to those early "tests".
I think it might be too early to tell. And it is definitely way to early to judge. We don't yet know how far we can push the camera. We only know that some people have evidently pushed it too far, or did something horribly wrong in the process.
Ride it out a bit. See what starts to turn up and see if it is a recurring situation and under what parameters the situation occurs in.
I think this might be the same situation that happened when the HV20 came out. People didn't properly test it, they pushed the camera too far, posted the, now infamous - jello, and started to complain. Whereas I have never ever experienced anything similar to those early "tests".
I think it might be too early to tell. And it is definitely way to early to judge. We don't yet know how far we can push the camera. We only know that some people have evidently pushed it too far, or did something horribly wrong in the process.
Ride it out a bit. See what starts to turn up and see if it is a recurring situation and under what parameters the situation occurs in.
PappasArts
Veteran
Does the playback from the GH1 play out correctly from HDMI as it does from a PS3. If so wouldn't it be better to capture a proper 3:2 signal using a HDMI capture card to a better codec on the fly.
I know it seems like going back a step using a capture device, however if most issues are attributed to SW inability to reconstruct the 1080/24, why not try another route to ingesting the footage...
Assuming the GH1 correctly outputs the HDMI signal in proper 3:2 pull down like a PS3..
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I know it seems like going back a step using a capture device, however if most issues are attributed to SW inability to reconstruct the 1080/24, why not try another route to ingesting the footage...
Assuming the GH1 correctly outputs the HDMI signal in proper 3:2 pull down like a PS3..
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John Caballero
Veteran
I would like to know how the image reacts in a crane shot. Paning the camera on a crane move. Also tracking sideways, and going forward and pulling out. Also if it pans better at night shots or indoors maybe shooting with a higher shutter and closed aperture work better? Just rambling, but thats all the test I want to do when I get my camera. I hope before Christmas eve.
Yes of course, but I thought I read several posts saying this WAS not
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by the way, the 5d cant do this full output either.
You can playback on HDMI. As soon as you hit record the HDMI signal goes bye bye.
squig
Veteran
awww whaadid I miss? Jerry Jerry Jerry......
So I go down to the local camera house to buy the camera I'm not allowed to mention and they tell me the price has gone up $500! sok I think I can get one online at the old price. the saga continues.
PappasArts
Veteran
I mean playback from the already recorded to memory card....
So are you saying that if you playback footage from the SD card via the GH1. it's at a reduced resolution?
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Well it's post codec at that point. Whatever damage has been done to the image due to the poor or insufficient implementation of the 17mbps AVCHD is written in stone at that point.
So it's 1080, or 720 or whatever you've recorded at. But if you've recorded mud it's there now.
(I'm assuming the live HDMI out was brought up in the hopes one might be able to record externally before compression - sorry if I'm not following what's being asked here.)
So it's 1080, or 720 or whatever you've recorded at. But if you've recorded mud it's there now.
(I'm assuming the live HDMI out was brought up in the hopes one might be able to record externally before compression - sorry if I'm not following what's being asked here.)
PappasArts
Veteran
I'm wondering about playing back already recorded footage from the SD card in the GH1 Via HDMI to a HDMI capture card device assuming that the GH1 reconstructs the playback output in proper 3:2 pull down in a 1080i signal vs SW programs that seem not to able to perform reconstruction well. People have reported on output of footage played back from their PS3's as having correct pull down etc...
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