Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update
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not even the mud effect will change my mind. maybe something will but for now im still planning for a gh1admactanium
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Haha. So it's a feature and not a limitation? Just kidding, I have very little ill will towards Canon.
Although part of my choice to buy the GH1 is the fact that Canon is obviously crippling their DSLRs' video capabilities to protect their video division. Even beyond the video features, Canon is well-known for trickling out incremental upgrades to maximize profit. Now, if I were a Canon stockholder I'd be all for that, but even since I bought my 30D I haven't really felt like Canon has released a camera that fits my specific needs. Once video started to enter into the equation it became increasingly clear that Canon will only do what they are forced to do when other manufacturers force their hand. The video limitations on the T1i are just plainly ridiculous.
Panasonic is more in-line with my own personal philosophy of making nearly the best device that they can within the constrains of affordability. Of course, they have a lot more to gain and a lot less to lose than Canon, but I really couldn't see myself supporting Canon anymore. The fact that the 50D doesn't have video at all and IQ-wise it's only marginally and even debatably better than my 3-year-old 30D really chaps my hide. The 5D II was too expensive and still limited in video (at the time), the T1i is an insult to my intelligence and the 50D didn't have what I needed. Will the 60D? It'll probably have video but how much better with the stills quality be? I guess I just can't stand feeling like I'm being manipulated by a manufacturer like that. I'm going to take a loss on my L lenses but I think the trade-off is worth it for me personally.
PappasArts
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I was advised against it by someone who has; let's say more "" Know How "" then I......
However you of all people should be careful about looking up past threads. I personally, as well others have held back in the past from; as funny as it sound " hanging you with your own threads "
Your not thought of as the ADD sugared up kid in the back of the classroom for nothing.....
That said!
You got spunk kid, I like it.
;-)
Yet you're advising other people to buy it... I think I get how that makes sense.
I'm okay with someone doing the same thing. afterall, don't do unless you expect to have done.
Haven't changed a single thought since I got the GH-1. I specifically said the 1080/24 is not the Pixel Peepers image. For everyone else, it's plenty.
Said I'd buy an MKii when it got Manual Controls SEVERAL times. I have mines with me right now.
Say what you will about ADD, it's not my fault people like to read into things more than what I've posted. The bottom line is that I put my money where my mouth is, doesn't seem like others do.
Again, you're invited to find past threads and challenge my stand. Hasn't changed.
A+
Martti Ekstrand
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oh squid, get a flip flop mino 
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rogar-Happy(DBG):John Caballero
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For video yes indeed! For stills Nikon. But maybe that will change too with the GH1.
I am going to say it one more time: who the heck cares what everybody buys. I tried to tell people about that horribly crippled other camera and nobody listened. So who cares what anybody else wants to buy. You want Canon, then buy Canon. You want Panasonic, buy Panasonic. You want Pentax, well, you get the drill. At the end of the day it is what works for you and makes you feel fulfilled. Thanks to the work done so far by the ones who have the camera I have learned one sad truth: that I won't be able to make all those crazy and fun whip pans we all do and have come to love. Pappas, squig and others I feel sad that you won't be able to do those, but there is always hope for the next generation. Panasonic, how dare you killed the dreams of all of us Whip Pans Fan Boys!
squig
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you have a 3ccd cam john, you can whip pan till your arm drops off.
I can't think of any shots in the film where I need to do a whip pan but there's gonna be some skateboard stabilized action stuff that could be a bit dicey with the MKII or the GH1 so I might have a HVX on hand for those scenes if whatever DSLR I'm using isn't up to the task.
I can't think of any shots in the film where I need to do a whip pan but there's gonna be some skateboard stabilized action stuff that could be a bit dicey with the MKII or the GH1 so I might have a HVX on hand for those scenes if whatever DSLR I'm using isn't up to the task.
PappasArts
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I have bought plenty of systems to just test with my own money.
In just recent years the HVX200 - H1 - HD100 & A1, not including all the SD ones. I uploaded a F-ing sh1t load of footage from all those cameras for the grateful and the bottom feeders to siphoned from, at my own expense. ( unlike you, it's like pulling teeth to get full res clips or files to share ) So you need not tread on that water with me.... That's not counting the 80's and 90's. I have put in 30's years more money in those lined bloated slacks of corporate America and Japan industry long enough to give them sh!t when I want too. As for consulting, I have been around many many corners to know how to do it, and do it well..
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John Caballero
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If the HVX only had shallow DOF.
NevilleBartos
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Just seen the 'mud' video's and cancelled my order
Pretty shocking breakup...you can shoot video but have to hold the camera like a still camera?
I will feel like a mug if Panasonic fix it quickly and then its sold out everywhere...
Pretty shocking breakup...you can shoot video but have to hold the camera like a still camera?
I will feel like a mug if Panasonic fix it quickly and then its sold out everywhere...
Jamison
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why would you cancel your order before at-least trying it out? You know you can return it and get your money back?
admactanium
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Obviously it's your money and your needs are likely quite different than mine. But in reading a thread like this it's much easier to blow an issue like this out of proportion. Again, I won't excuse the codec breaking under "normal" usage but the reality is that 1) unless you're going to be doing a lot of whip pans, it's not really an issue and 2) even if it does occur, it's not nearly as catastrophic in motion as it is looking at screen caps. I agree that the captures look awful, but in full motion it's just a minor glitch. I'll probably shoot in MJPEG mode anyway since I value the convenience of editability more than I value the saves space. I offload my images/video very often, so I'm not worried about the space that MJPEG takes up over AVCHD.
Barry_Green
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That is correct. Viewed on a 67" TV, it looked fine and people who didn't know exactly what to look for said "why, what's supposed to be wrong with it?"
You gotta do what you gotta do but the fix for now isn't from Panasonic but from your shot list. A fix would be great, I'll take it, but you have to weigh investment to potential and this cam at it's price point can be the bomb if you take it's, and your, limitations into account.