Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

PappasArts said:
All I can really think say is what I said on my web site.


""Panasonic has confused me before; however this time it's to bizarre.
Unlike the HVX200 that was an under powered Honda civic trying to be a
Mercedes-Benz SLR. The GH1 was a product with all the right parts to only
be crippled by a horrible implementation of the main codec system.

Good work Panasonic; you sure know how to flat line a new born....... ""


Michael Pappas
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Michael Pappas: 1 - Panasonic GH1: 0
 
PappasArts said:
All I can really think say is what I said on my web site.


""Panasonic has confused me before; however this time it's to bizarre.
Unlike the HVX200 that was an under powered Honda civic trying to be a
Mercedes-Benz SLR. The GH1 was a product with all the right parts to only
be crippled by a horrible implementation of the main codec system.

Good work Panasonic; you sure know how to flat line a new born....... ""
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While fair in ways, I have to say that it's hard to follow this line of thinking from someone who is claiming another camera to be the holy grail, pitching it to others to purchase but hasn't purchased one themselves, especially since the camera is almost a year old, right?

If the GH-1 is SO dead, the decision SO clear then why don't you have an MKii???

I know you said you ordered one the day that I did... I got my unit pretty swiftly, just like I said I would... so I'm just wondering why all of these people pitching the MKii and telling others that it's the best, declaring the GH-1 dead or Inadequate or that the GH-1 can't come close...

Why don't you own an MKii? Or is the decision not as easy as it's made out to be due to the MKii's limitations as well? Is it really NOT all about the image in the end afterall?

Someone please enlighten me. I mean, I already KNOW it's not a clear cut decision and it's one that might only be made by using both yourself.

Just let me know where the hesitation lies if it's just the best and the others are dead?
 
Pappas, it's easy to sit on the fence and make big judgments. It doesn't fit your style, fine, pickup a 5D and enjoy a nice side of jello. :)

Fence sitters often make the loudest noise without using or owning technology for work.
 
720 AVCHD is cleaner then 1080 for sure. It's not as clean as MJPEG though.

AVCHD:

720AVCHD.jpg


MJPEG:

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Agree with Isaac. Know what else is not noticable? The Jello. I just realized you were panning like crazy with a CMOS sensor. LoL
 
Fantastic work!

Lets all not forget how easy we can smooth out any bad looking blur with... more blur. I'm sure some motion blur added in post can smooth out any rough edges.
 
Personally, from a non-filmmaker's perspective it's very easy to work around. In fact, I was predisposed to purchase the 5d Mk II since I already have two Canon L lenses (only one which would work on full frame though) and 3 other lenses for that format. However, the GH1 has everything that I need in a camera with a small sacrifice in image quality. At some point for someone like me you have to realize that having a 5d II is overkill for my needs. I'm not selling my photographs and while I enjoy it as a hobby and I think I have some very nice images, spending $5k on a whole system was too much. Similarly, spending the same amount as the GH1 on a HF-S 10 wouldn't have gained me a more convenient stills camera to go with my video camera.

I know it's not really relevant to what you guys are dealing with, but the truth it, this camera is probably aimed directly at guys like me. People who are willing to pay more for more quality but who don't want to have a dedicated video and stills camera. The GH1 is the perfect compromise camera for me. I think there are a lot of folks like me also reading this forum since it's the most active topic on the GH1 I've found, even compared to photography websites.
 
admactanium said:
Personally, from a non-filmmaker's perspective it's very easy to work around. In fact, I was predisposed to purchase the 5d Mk II since I already have two Canon L lenses (only one which would work on full frame though) and 3 other lenses for that format. However, the GH1 has everything that I need in a camera with a small sacrifice in image quality. At some point for someone like me you have to realize that having a 5d II is overkill for my needs. I'm not selling my photographs and while I enjoy it as a hobby and I think I have some very nice images, spending $5k on a whole system was too much. Similarly, spending the same amount as the GH1 on a HF-S 10 wouldn't have gained me a more convenient stills camera to go with my video camera.

I know it's not really relevant to what you guys are dealing with, but the truth it, this camera is probably aimed directly at guys like me. People who are willing to pay more for more quality but who don't want to have a dedicated video and stills camera. The GH1 is the perfect compromise camera for me. I think there are a lot of folks like me also reading this forum since it's the most active topic on the GH1 I've found, even compared to photography websites.
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Absolutely, Ad.

Have you tried watching any back on a television yet? Gets even better. =D
 
Isaac_Brody said:
I've gotta say, in motion the mud is not that noticeable in 1080 even when panning like a madman.
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No, it's really not that noticeable at speed. I agree that there's no excuse for the breakdown but when in motion it's not too bad. Even as someone who has a trained eye (as an Ad Art Director who has overseen the production and post of over 100 commercials) it's nothing too awful to witness. I'll never whip the camera around at that speed for my own uses and if I did, it wouldn't be in the final product of anything I wanted to keep. But it's educational to see which mode I should be using for my personal use.
 
Kholi said:
While fair in ways, I have to say that it's hard to follow this line of thinking from someone who is claiming another camera to be the holy grail, pitching it to others to purchase but hasn't purchased one themselves, especially since the camera is almost a year old, right?

If the GH-1 is SO dead, the decision SO clear then why don't you have an MKii???

I know you said you ordered one the day that I did... I got my unit pretty swiftly, just like I said I would... so I'm just wondering why all of these people pitching the MKii and telling others that it's the best, declaring the GH-1 dead or Inadequate or that the GH-1 can't come close...

Why don't you own an MKii? Or is the decision not as easy as it's made out to be due to the MKii's limitations as well? Is it really NOT all about the image in the end afterall?

Someone please enlighten me. I mean, I already KNOW it's not a clear cut decision and it's one that might only be made by using both yourself.

Just let me know where the hesitation lies if it's just the best and the others are dead?
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You make me chuckle. Gotta love your fight.

I will call you: Kholi "The Mother Who Wouldn't Give Up" Hicks.......


Seriously though, the 5D is good, however the GH1 has the better features.

That's said! In a visual medium, like this; image is paramount no matter if you diffuse it, or keep it clean. IMO

Now, since the economy is in the trash everywhere, nobody should be throwing 2K or 3K around like its change lying around for a Big-Mac.

Unlike you I believe in rental for sizable productions; unless it's just your personal hobby cam, or your personal company that does daily work. Even that, people should be fiscal smart.

Get the best bang for the dollar that makes your company have a stellar top dollar looking image. That's what a future client will remember when they think back after seeing your work. The 5D can do that almost every time if use it right!

I think the 5D is almost good enough. However it's almost a year old too. Why jump when the next few months we'll see a V.2. That possibly, for sure will cross the line for many more.

Oh, as to telling others to buy; only those that proclaim they gotta make their movie now, or soon, or shoot whatever for film school. That was a response to the "" immediate "" souls on this board who gotta have now.

So if you come to me and ask what I recommend to shoot for your film or whatever, now. I suggest the 5D.

If the GH1 had a good Mjpeg or codec in its 1080/24. I would say the GH1.

However if all the GH1 is going to be is a "" alright "" 720P 30; why not get a 5D that can also be an amazing 720P 30 that will be better than the 720P first round out the GH1...

It isn't much more money for what you get for professional studio work... If you choose to down convert the 5D 1080P original, you always have a 1080P master stored away......


Make sense for you now Kholi.....?




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No, not one bit. It just sounds like to me that you're pitching a purchase that you wouldn't make yourself.

Kinda makes your advice a little difficult to take.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1647187&postcount=28

What happened??? I kept to my word and I didn't even like the MKii. You have terrabytes of footage and praise it to death, said you were putting in an order... but didn't.
 
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PappasArts said:
However if all the GH1 is going to be is a "" alright "" 720P 30; why not get a 5D that can also be an amazing 720P 30 that will be better than the 720P first round out the GH1...

It isn't much more money for what you get for professional studio work... If you choose to down convert the 5D 1080P original, you always have a 1080P master stored away......
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But it's not a blow your socks off 30P, it's one which has a lot of jello that inhibits you whip panning since that seems to be the most important feature being touted in this thread. Why spend $2600 on a camera without a lens that shoots 30P when you can get one for a thousand dollars less that shoots 30P with much less jello and 60P slomo and 1080 24P that's perfectly adequate for locked down shots and controlled handheld plus it comes with a fantastic LCD screen to help with focusing.

Can someone with a 5D upload a whip pan video just to bring some perspective to the parallel being made? :)

I'll say this again, it's easy to give advice when sitting on the fence waiting for the next best thing to come out.
 
Kholi said:
No, not one bit. It just sounds like to me that you're pitching a purchase that you wouldn't make yourself.

Kinda makes your advice a little difficult to take.
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Not at all sir. Not one "bit"

Burn this in your minds eye...... If I needed to make a film tomorrow or next week, I would buy the 5D without hassle......



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PappasArts said:
Not at all sir. Not one "bit"

Burn this in your minds eye...... If I needed to make a film tomorrow or next week, I would buy the 5D without hassle......



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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1647187&postcount=28

Just sayin', man. It obviously isn't that clear of a choice, huh?

Anyway, now that there's an understanding here it'll be up to the individual to decide if conjecture less-action from the stands is what to trust or hands-on experience and walk, less-talk.
 
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