Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

"Blair Witch Project" Sure you can shoot with any camera. That doesn't mean it will LOOK good. Anyway, I'm not going to complain anymore. No point. Either Panasonic will fix it or they won't. Or someone else will come out with something better. In the meantime, I'll just watch and hope for the best. :-)
 
Just let them continue to find something wrong and take advantage of their waylay.
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Exactly. We should know by now that what everybody else does or not is their business. It doesn't affect you at all. Let them complain.

BTW: Panasonic, where the heck is my GH1?
 
mhood said:
Thanks Nitsuj...now in addition to the trials of a totally frustrating day, I have been brought to tears by an iPhone.
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It is moving isn't it? I guess that little search was brought on by this forum so I gotta at least thank this disccussion for me finding that little gem. Inspiring.
 
Kholi said:
Don't waste your time, Nitsuj. There are plenty of people that already know what's up, the others can just keep waiting and complaining.
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Kholi,
Your work with the GH1 is what gives me hope for it- I really appreciate everything you've done for the people who don't have their hands on one. I do think the 720p is pretty good, and some have suggested that it can be used in a 24p timeline without any issues, so that's exciting.

I'm just trying to be realistic, and from a production standpoint, the 1080p is useless for SO MANY kinds of shots. I know your thrift store stuff looks awesome, but you have to admit it is all fairly particular kinds of shots. For those kinds of shots, I'm sure it's fine. But there's no ignoring the codec problems on something as simple as a nature shot of pretty much anything.

I really am excited about this camera, I have just been let down by the inability to capture many shots without problems in 1080p.
 
Boz said:
"Blair Witch Project" Sure you can shoot with any camera. That doesn't mean it will LOOK good. Anyway, I'm not going to complain anymore. No point. Either Panasonic will fix it or they won't. Or someone else will come out with something better. In the meantime, I'll just watch and hope for the best. :-)
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Not a single person mentioned the Blair Witch Project. I said The Signal and 28 Days Later.

Shogman -- I understand. Even since then I've used the 1080/24 and I've been fine with it. If you saw the thread, the entire Heineken spot was shot @ 1080/24 and there was a LOT I would have avoided prior to.

In the end, the footage looks incredible and convinced me to plunk down on two US GH-1's.

Once people get it in their hands the story will change, that's how it always goes. It was the same with the HVX200 and it'll be the same here. People will finally be able to relax, stop pixel-peeping and shoot something of their own that really counts as far as content goes and not analytic frame-by-frame viewing and it'll all just fade away.

It's the story of every single camera released, and RED was no different. =P
 
The GH1 clearly has its uses but would any of the 4 professionals be confident enough to invest 30k of their own money and shoot a feature solely with the GH1? I won't call me crazy. I'm not talking about a bourne film either just something with motion. I think it could be a great b roll camera and cool for music vids and shorts but a feature is probably a stretch no pun intended for the poor little GH1.

Did 28 days later have codec breakup mud?

Yes Nitsuj I ruled out 1080 when I saw Kholi's kung fu footage, it's the 720 I'm concerned about.

And yes Kholi I know content is king and I can get by without a red but that's the look most wish they could get out of a $1500 cam. if we weren't dreamers we wouldn't be here. I'm taking your suggestion of using the MKII seriously. let me know if it's any good for mud-free kung fu action.
 
Dude, I have the Flip so that I can have it with me everywhere.
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The great thing is that you are going to be able to continue doing that with it because it shoots great 720P with a pretty strong codec. Everything will be OK.
 
squig said:
The GH1 clearly has its uses but would any of the 4 professionals be confident enough to invest 30k of their own money and shoot a feature solely with the GH1? I won't call me crazy. I'm not talking about a bourne film either just something with motion. I think it could be a great b roll camera and cool for music vids and shorts but a feature is probably a stretch no pun intended for the poor little GH1.

Did 28 days later have codec breakup mud?

Yes Nitsuj I ruled out 1080 when I saw Kholi's kung fu footage, it's the 720 I'm concerned about.

And yes Kholi I know content is king and I can get by without a red but that's the look most wish they could get out of a $1500 cam. if we weren't dreamers we wouldn't be here. I'm taking your suggestion of using the MKII seriously. let me know if it's any good for mud-free kung fu action.
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A guarantee you somebody is going to make a feature length movie with this. :zombie_smiley:
 
Nitsuj said:
A guarantee you somebody is going to make a feature length movie with this. :zombie_smiley:
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Hell, I'm going to try and if it wasn't for the input, both sides, provided by this forum I wouldn't know most of the difficulties and workarounds needed to get it done. It's a good thing I'm not as bright as the 4 pros mentioned or I wouldn't even try. In some cases ignorance is bliss.

Nitsuj, thanks for the links.
 
squig said:
The GH1 clearly has its uses but would any of the 4 professionals be confident enough to invest 30k of their own money and shoot a feature solely with the GH1? I won't call me crazy. I'm not talking about a bourne film either just something with motion. I think it could be a great b roll camera and cool for music vids and shorts but a feature is probably a stretch no pun intended for the poor little GH1.
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Depends on the feature. Zombies? Yes. Intimate drama? Yes.

Sci-Fi? No

Comedy? Yes

And yes Kholi I know content is king and I can get by without a red but that's the look most wish they could get out of a $1500 cam. if we weren't dreamers we wouldn't be here. I'm taking your suggestion of using the MKII seriously. let me know if it's any good for mud-free kung fu action.
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I didn't suggest you use the MKii. My MKii thread is specifically stating that the best reason to own an MKii is its still capability. To ME anyway. I still think the GH-1 is the better all around video acquisition tool. My opinion hasnt' changed, has just been taken out of context like always.

And let's face it: most of us around here don't REALLY believe Content is King. If we did, we wouldn't be here fighting over pixels. We'd be writing, shooting, etc.

It's a good thing I finished my script and now I'm actually using these cameras to decide which one (or a pair of) we'll be shooting the feature on in July. Or I'd be wasting my time worrying about a camera I didn't really have a personal project already written and ready to go to use it on. =T
 
Kholi said:
I didn't suggest you use the MKii. My MKii thread is specifically stating that the best reason to own an MKii is its still capability. To ME anyway. I still think the GH-1 is the better all around video acquisition tool. My opinion hasnt' changed, has just been taken out of context like always.
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you did suggest the MKII as an alternative after my not having the money to fork out on a red post which was what I was replying to.
 
squig said:
you did suggest the MKII as an alternative after my not having the money to fork out on a red post which was what I was replying to.
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Ah, I got ya. Those are alternatives indeed. Thought you were saying that I said any of those would be better. But now that we're all cleared up. A-
 
unfortunately for those who have to suffer me I'm a perfectionist. So pixels, content, and the color of the carpet at any given location are equally important
 
shoqman said:
I am excited by this camera because I could take it instead of my XH-A1 plus RedRock getup
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Yes, you could. And it'd be much smaller and lighter. But what does the XHA1 plus redrock cost? $5,000.

I don't really see what's so hard to grasp about the concept of: "you want it good, fast, and cheap? Pick two and call me back."

And yes I'm WELL AWARE that other cameras, even cheaper cameras, have more robust codecs. Spilled milk, fine. But the milk is spilled. Now we can either cry about it, or get to work figuring out what we're gonna do with the product, or decide the product isn't for us. Personally I think the latter two choices are a more valuable use of time.

and there's a lot of Panny butt kissing going on saying that it's just not possible for them to get a better image. I think that's ridiculous, and the Flip HD is a great example of why.
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Okay, so let me get this straight -- if we acknowledge that something is sub-par, but that it can be made to work with, that's "Panny butt kissing"? Give me a break. And everyone else too.

Did I or did I not say that the codec can break up in such a way that it goes to hell in a dragster-powered handbasket? Is that "Panny butt kissing?"

The codec is sub-par. Yes. So is the D90's. If you have a problem with that, then -- great! Stop reading right now. The GH1 (and the D90) have NOTHING to offer you. You're done. I can save you a lot of time and hassle and stress and energy by saying "ignore the GH1 forum from now on." Anyone else who's outraged that a $200 flip HD's codec holds up better than the GH1's, please, don't buy a GH1. Don't bring more pain and stress on yourselves.

Now -- for those who are left, both of you, raise your hands -- okay, please re-evaluate whether you want an interchangeable-lens, shallow-DOF DSLR-style camera that also shoots very good 720/60p and can shoot 1080/24p and costs about $1500. If that's what you're interested in, be aware that excess detail will cause the codec to implode worse than the world's economy, so you will have to baby it and watch out for it and make sure to be cautious about what you shoot. You will have to watch your panning rates, you'll have to play your footage back to check if the codec got overloaded. That's the price you have to pay, to have an interchangeable-lens shallow-DOF camera at $1500.
 
Kholi said:
It's a good thing I finished my script and now I'm actually using these cameras to decide which one (or a pair of) we'll be shooting the feature on in July. Or I'd be wasting my time worrying about a camera I didn't really have a personal project already written and ready to go to use it on. =T
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You shooting 1080 or 720?

this gonna be a shaolin temple sequel?
 
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