Panasonic's new AG-CX350 camcorder

ggrantly said:
270 has..
270 has 28mm eFOV so not as good, but it does have a little more reach @ 22x
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To me 24 eFOV is a cirtical feature. A handy cam must work in a car or a crowd. In rush hour on the subway. This is what they are for!

It might seem a bit mad to be obsessed by this single spec but I started with a FF24 in stills and also note that most pro docu shooters use a 4.7->xx zoom on 2/3 which I beleive is also about 24eFOV. All those folks dont spend such big dollar because they dont need it. In S35 world the best zoom is the CanonCN17 also starts at about that width.. a little less but that lens is a huge compromise on every front (to make it exist at all in a managable form), the zeiss master zoom also S35 16 which is.. 24eFOV but not portable or affordable.. so to get 24 eFOV in a handycam is a bit wonderful.. while not having it just makes you look like an amateur :)

Im less bothered about the long end as I cant hand hold much above 150 eFOV anyway - especially with a non shoulder cam.
 
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Understood, and I agree that while everyone longs for telephoto, what you really need is wide. The 24mm equiv focal length is very useful.

But I wouldn't go selling yourself short on how much telephoto you can use on a CX350; if you haven't seen the Hybrid OIS in action, it's pretty magical. It definitely is leaps and bounds better than the old OIS-only system as used on the HVX200 etc.
 
Barry_Green said:
I have not noticed any, I mean, there has to be a frame but I doubt it's any more than that, but I would have to devise a way to test

One thing I can say is that recent Panasonic cameras have had a menu item that lets you delay the audio in the headphones to sync with the video output. This camera doesn't even offer that option, likely because the output isn't delayed.
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My test for this requires a monitor, a cell phone and another camera (still or motion).

Place a cell phone running a stopwatch counter next to a monitor.
Connect the output of the CX350 to the monitor.
Point the CX350 At the phone.
Use the second camera to photograph the phone and the monitor.
View frames on second phone and note offset between the two stopwatch counters. That’s the lag.
 
Yep, that's how I have tested other cameras; I just haven't done this one yet. I had a timecode app on my last phone that would display full screen timecode; I should try to find that app and install it on the new phone.
 
I'd like to share with you, what says Mats Wedin on AG-CX350's user group in Facebook about the camera: "What I can say from looking at the footage on an ATOMOs HDR monitor and A Samsung HDR TV is that they are stunning. I have tried the Canon 705 and SONY 190 and there is no comparison. the 200 Mbit HEVC is great, the camera handles well and exposure, stabilization and focusing are great from what I can tell from this brief use."
 
Mitch..
Could you ouline how this camera could be used on a Movi Pro on the end of a jib.

Controlled wirelessly or with a long and very skinny cable.

We would be monitoring using an HDMI transmitter so any app for setting the settings would be ok to be a bit laggy/low res.

S
 
Mitch Gross said:
My test for this requires a monitor, a cell phone and another camera (still or motion).

Place a cell phone running a stopwatch counter next to a monitor.
Connect the output of the CX350 to the monitor.
Point the CX350 At the phone.
Use the second camera to photograph the phone and the monitor.
View frames on second phone and note offset between the two stopwatch counters. That’s the lag.
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I just ran this test at 29.97 and recording on my iphone at 30p. Shooting the digislate app on my ipad.

I got a lag of 3-4 frames. Counting the frames it takes from what I see on the ipad to what was on the sdi monitor next to it. It was usually 4 frames, but occasionally I caught it mid-change at like 3.5 frames.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
I just ran this test at 29.97 and recording on my iphone at 30p. Shooting the digislate app on my ipad.

I got a lag of 3-4 frames. Counting the frames it takes from what I see on the ipad to what was on the sdi monitor next to it. It was usually 4 frames, but occasionally I caught it mid-change at like 3.5 frames.
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Then I would say your monitor might be adding some lag, as I believe the CX350 to be faster than that.
 
morgan_moore said:
Mitch..
Could you ouline how this camera could be used on a Movi Pro on the end of a jib.

Controlled wirelessly or with a long and very skinny cable.

We would be monitoring using an HDMI transmitter so any app for setting the settings would be ok to be a bit laggy/low res.

S
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The CX350 can accept a WM50 WiFi adapter just like many of our other cameras. This allows it to be controlled via a free app in a Windows or Apple tablet or phone. I suggest a tablet as there are so many controls that it would be difficult on a phone. This interface allows full electronic control of the camera, but there is no video signal so you would rely on your HDMI transmitter for that. There is also a LANC-style input for a direct control of certain functions if you prefer. The WiFi and wired controls can be used in conjunction.
 
Mitch,

Any chance of the ND filters being controlled wirelessly? The variable ND tech from Sony really does have some great uses for these types of cameras. I have had situations with my PX270 outdoors where I really would have liked to flip the ND up or down a notch with my phone!
 
Bassman2003 said:
Mitch,

Any chance of the ND filters being controlled wirelessly? The variable ND tech from Sony really does have some great uses for these types of cameras. I have had situations with my PX270 outdoors where I really would have liked to flip the ND up or down a notch with my phone!
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The EVA1 can do that, but the CX350 doesn't afaik.
 
I tried it on the app and didn't see a way to adjust it. Note that you do have remote gain, Iris, and shutter control so there is quite a bit of exposure range you can adjust.
 
I film some sports on a high stand with my PX270 and on partly cloudy days there can be quite a swing in light. The camera is in auto iris at 0db, so I guess the only way would be to stay on the heavy ND and gain up a bit if the clouds take over. Will have to see how the camera handles gain as I never go beyond 6db on the PX270. Your assessment of a base ISO of 1000 seems a lot better than the PX270. I am interested to put them side by side.
 
Bassman2003 said:
Your assessment of a base ISO of 1000 seems a lot better than the PX270. I am interested to put them side by side.
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For clarification, I haven't done a formal ISO assessment on the CX350 yet. I just observed that it seemed to be similar to other cameras, but I haven't yet put the light meter up to it and evaluated its true "base ISO" based on standardized settings (HD gamma, 0dB, etc).
 
No worries. I knew that was an educated guess and we won't hold you to it. The camera will need strong ISO performance due to the slower lens. I want to see the PX270 wide open vs the CX350 wide open since the PX has a much faster lens. DOF will be sort of a wash on the wide end given the aperture differences so it will come down to noise levels. I would love to have at least a stop better operational noise performance. Meaning that the CX350 would be as clean as the PX270 at 0db but at a stop higher sensitivity. In the five years of ownership I have never really needed to go beyond 6db. So one more stop would mean never needing to use Neat Video again!!!
 
first good looking video. straight out of camera.

"So, its definitely not a marketing video and near enough straight out of camera other than some very quick and basic colour correction. But this was from earlier today. Wide shots were manual focus, close ups were all AF, other than that, all manual settings.
Audio was a rode lav mic in into the camera XLR port, all straight from camera too."


 
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