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squig said:
Do you know something we don't or are you just speculating? From what I've read the G1 sensor has been redesigned for the GH1
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Panasonic's intention from the beginning was to add video to the G1. They've in fact announced a video version of the G1 at the same time as G1. It is a new design, but more of an evolution then completely from scratch.

As for judging low-light performance, they should be fairly similar. Fundamentally, the factors that contribute to better ISO performance such as pixel-density and the size of the photosites are identical to the G1. Also, the 60fps EVF capability of the G1 indicates that there is some inherit video capability in that sensor. We may seem some improvement due to the dual-Venus processor and improved noise-reduction algorithms, but for stills we shouldn't expect any big improvement over the G1.
 
The G1 appears to be about a stop slower than the D90. I really don't want to lose a stop, it's like selling my f/2 lens for an f/2.8.

All hope rests with the D400.
 
squig said:
The G1 appears to be about a stop slower than the D90. I really don't want to lose a stop, it's like selling my f/2 lens for an f/2.8.

All hope rests with the D400.
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That may be the case, but one stop shouldn't be the reason to decide one over the other. There probably is just a big a diffeence between the D90 and the 5DII in low-light capabilites. Panasonic, for their part, have focused on video like no other dSLR maker has. It's their unique selling point. It's what differentiates them from the more popular Canikons. And to their credit they have covered most of the important bases reagrding the specs.

It doesn't seem to me that Nikon is regarding video as a primary feature, but rather an ancillary marketing feature. The D400 can have three stops over the GH-1, but it won't make it a better camera if doesn't have manual controls or severely reduces the jello effect to more manageable levels.

Pentax-Samsung are also going to produce an EVIL camera, but their stance on video and their product is entirely a mystery at this point. Overtime I'm sure we'll see some pretty impressive products, but there is always going to be something better around the corner.
 
Panasonic is a video company with a huge legacy in this business. A one stop difference is absolutely nothing compared with full manual control, auto focus while filming (specially face auto tracking focusing), variable ISO, sharper image, a lot less jello and much better codec. Again, if you look at the specs of the Panasonic HDC-HS300K or samples of the Panasonic HDC-HS100 you should get an idea of the video quality, only thing the GH1 will be using a very big sensor in comparison.
 
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Squig man, you should really shoot something. That should put all of your personal speculation to rest. It's one thing to think "oh no a stop" and it's another to know what a stop is going to do in the real world.

It's really not going to do ANYTHING. Especially considering ISO control. And I wouldn't really doubt if the GH-1's got improved sensor performance over the reccently release G1.

I mean, even the DVX100, 100A and 100B ALL had different images, progressively "better" at that.
 
here we go.....what is this real world you speak of?

I am shooting. I shot my 1st test footage for the film on the weekend. cutting and grading now, will upload for critique soon.

I've shot @ f/2.8 and f/2 in low light. The f/2.8 was too noisy but the f/2 was useable. That extra stop makes a big difference but the manual shutter and ISO control will help compensate for it sure.
 
The reality is that so many here seem to be hanging their hats on the consumer GH-1 as being the answer to their video needs. I believe that the reality will not live up to the great expectations. Our real answer will come in the next year from Nikon/Canon/ or RED (if they can reduce their prices) for true high quality 35mm sized sensors using standard 35mm glass without compromises. The GH-1 is being positioned as a consumer step up from a P&S--not as a pro level camera in any way.

Just another of my 2 cents.
 
I wonder, do anybody use a lighting setup to light up scenes? That way you didn't have to relly on the widest aperture and reduce noise completely I would say. If you are doing serious films you have to light your scene properly.
 
to pick up either a GH1 or a D90, or D400, o would need to purchase at least a 24-35mm equivalent. So a 12mm to 18mm or something. And nothing slower than 2.8
 
light up scenes? Like use more light?
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The right amount of light.

And nothing slower than 2.8
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Come on. If lenses slower than that were not any good then all the lenses would be like two or three stops. People have to stop talking about the limitations and say to themselves how am I going to get the most of what I have.
 
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Robert Altman said:
The reality is that so many here seem to be hanging their hats on the consumer GH-1 as being the answer to their video needs. I believe that the reality will not live up to the great expectations. Our real answer will come in the next year from Nikon/Canon/ or RED (if they can reduce their prices) for true high quality 35mm sized sensors using standard 35mm glass without compromises. The GH-1 is being positioned as a consumer step up from a P&S--not as a pro level camera in any way.

Just another of my 2 cents.
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I don't care if it's consumer as long as it works. The D90 is very close to what I want to shoot the film but the overheating, no shutter/ISO control and low bit-rate make it a real pain in the arse to work with.

Don't need a pro level camera to get pro level results....just something that works
 
Since when do we use lighting in filmmaking? This is very odd... I just want to shoot with fast aperture, without using "lighting" or whatever its called.

Just want that magic film button, you know what i mean?
 
philip: Does the GH-1 have a length limitation similar to the 5D2? Or will Panasonic implement the automatic clip spanning feature like in the HMC150?
 
John Caballero said:
I wonder, do anybody use a lighting setup to light up scenes? That way you didn't have to relly on the widest aperture and reduce noise completely I would say. If you are doing serious films you have to light your scene properly.
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SERIOUSLY man. Good grief. I've seen people eat my work alive with an HVX200 (original) and SG pro REV 2.

You're at like a freakin' 160ASA before you even strap a lens on!!! And people are complaining about something that's probably rated at 320 WITH a lens!?!?!?!

Gimme a BREAK already.
 
John Caballero said:
The right amount of light.



Come on. If lenses slower than that were not any good then all the lenses would be like two or three stops. People have to stop talking about the limitations and say to themselves how am I going to get the most of what I have.
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Holy Crap EXACTLY. Uhm, let's see... Infamous Angenieux zooms are what, T3's?

A set of superspeeds are 1.8's.

I wonder why Angenieux even BOTHERS to put out such SLOW and limiting glass.

Reality check: these are NOT 35mm adapter rigs. Please, pick up a DSLR at your earliest convenience and shoot stills with one, get a grip on what's really going on. I implore the masses.
 
The floor opens up tomorrow.

I think you may be hearing the calm before the storm.
 
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