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Car3o said:
man, it's just me, but i didn't see any jello. maybe i'm just used to the d90's.
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Its not just you, and it its also the case that the audience won't see it either. To really bring it out, you have to manipulate the video to highlight the effect.

If shooting at 24fps, I think in order to get jello on this camera (and that's assuming they don't read the sensor faster with the final version) you have to move the camera faster than you would want to for that frame rate anyway.
 
What looks nicer?

What looks nicer?

PappasArts said:
The D90 has a more organic higher density image than what we see on the GH1 just comparing what's seen as of now. If the GH1 is trying to be the quality of a HDV camcorder than Panasonic is missing the whole point and is useless,
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I couldn't agree more, the problem could be that the panasonic justs looks like good video. It puts many I expect in limbo of whether to go in the direction of the Lumix or wait for full size DSLRS to fully develop their video function. At the moment I am inclined toward the d90 if you can get images like these http://www.vimeo.com/2214551 even over the 5D though a 24p firmware fix rumored to possibly coming soon may change my position.

I think just talking technically about image quality is ok but I think is becoming more redundant just like how many megapixels is on a point and shoot camera is now.
 
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Not sure how useful it is splitting hairs over prototype footage. There was some awful 5DII prototype footage floating around last year and I'd be surprised if these issues weren't worked out for the GH1 production model.
 
When you consider how many cameras must be produced around the world and brought in distribution, it´ll be not a lot of time to make fundamental changes till june. Moreover, the question remains, why Pana should present a product with faults at a major exhibition?​
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Not sure how useful it is splitting hairs over prototype footage. There was some awful 5DII prototype footage floating around last year and I'd be surprised if these issues weren't worked out for the GH1 production model.
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This is true....thanks for putting that out there.
 
Just like Isaac said about the Mk2. I wouldn't put it past the guy holding the camera to screw it up. In his video he thought 24p was supposed to be 60p. I remember when Mk2 had some god awful looking footage and looked how that turned out.
 
Hey everyone...

So I'm working my way thru this thread and trying to digest everything. Any idea when I'll actually be able to buy this camera here in Canada?

I'm currently shooting with the DVX100b and one feature I like is the spot meter for lighting... does an SLR d90 or the GH1 have this feature?

And what is "jello?"

Thanks.
 
PappasArts said:
This footage looks worse than HDV on its ugliest of nights.
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To be honest I can't draw conclusions form it. So far I've seen the tiny samples provided by Panasonic, which look pretty but are really not much more than eye candy, and some footage from trade show floors, which is hardly a nice shooting environment, lit as they are by a flood of neon. If you go watch 'The Conversation' (a 70s Coppola film about a surveillance tech - great movie) there's a long scene at a trade show...and it all looks horrible, despite being shot on 35mm by a cinematic master.

You look at the D90 when it came out, and if you put aside the jello issue, and were to triple the quality of the compression setting and that's it; the D90 is better in it's core image....
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...? Wouldn't it be a different camera, then? I've been voluble in this thread because I'm excited about the GH1, but I still think the D90 is quite a nice video camera, but...


The D90 has a more organic higher density image than what we see on the GH1 just comparing what's seen as of now.
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I'm not clear what you mean by this - could you expand? All the nice d90 footage I've seen has been given plenty of TLC in post to bring out its strength. Raw output from the camera is good, but not stunning. The first footage we saw, shot in the Tokyo subway if you recall, looked like ass. Personally, I'm happy if the GH1 by default captures a 'neutral' image - like the DVX without the various 'film look' settings - since I'd rather preserve as much dynamic range as possible and put off decisions about the 'look' until post.

Now, I think the jello issue is a little overstated, but that's because I prefer shots on a tripod and camera movement being subordinate to the story and acting, rather than movement for its own sake. So although the D90 has issues there, they don't conflict too much with my preferred style. The main downsides of the camera for me are the short recording time and the futzing about to lock exposure every time you want to shoot, which seems like it would be a very aggravating hack in practice.

If the GH1 is trying to be the quality of a HDV camcorder than Panasonic is missing the whole point and is useless, since a HVX, HV20 or A1 will do way better. We want what the D90 was striving to be and the 5D mark II is closer to becoming; which is a dense imagery that has much better color, resolution, and exudes an image quality that is far from anything a camcorder or any video cameras have done up to this point.
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Again, trying to judge these things from a mix of micro-samples and trade show footage seems pointless to me. I mean, stuff from trade shows that was shot on a HVX or one of the small HVx0 camcorders doesn't exactly look cinematic either. We won't have a real idea of what the camera does until closer to release, when some lucky soul is given custody of one for a day (and a night) and goes to town with it, shooting under as many different real-world conditions as possible.

Even then, this is part of the picture and not the whole thing. I do hope for a good dynamic range, and it remains to be seen whether the camera delivers in that area. I'm a lot more concerned with that than I am with whether it delivers a fabulous 'look' straight out of the box; I've seen a lot of film and video footage that looked pretty dull and ordinary at the beginning of post, but whose drama was brought out by selective emphasis during the process.

I freely admit, I have 'entry level' tolerances: if the camera ends up not being right for you, then it just isn't. However my take is that I'd like enough depth of field to abstract the background (which it seems to do well), manual control, and I like this small form factor very much compared to a prosumer camcorder.

Unless it completely falls apart in low light then it will likely fit my needs - I'm pretty forgiving on color, and just hope there is not too much in the way of banding. To be honest, one of the things I like about the d90 is a weak point for others; the somewhat flat colors and smudginess that I've seen on a lot of footage gives it a distinctive 'texture' which really appeals to me. To put that in context, when I've shot on film I've generally gone for reversal stock rather than something like Velvia.
 
Unless and until we see more samples of the GH1 we can't make any judgements and conclusions. You can't tell by couple of badly lit and horribly handheld clips at a trade show floor. So far the "jello" problem seems to be good, specially looking at those horribly shot samples. Until somebody has a production camera in their very own hands and starts putting it thru its paces we won't know a thing for sure. Mr. Barry Green are you getting one to test soon? In you we trust!
 
You can bet that I won't need Barry Geen's discretion to get the Gh1. I'll be first in line. If it sucks, I'll just return it and get that d90 that you so much desire Cab. Did you know that your last name is a signature skateboard trick?
 
Car3o said:
You can bet that I won't need Barry Geen's discretion to get the Gh1. I'll be first in line. If it sucks, I'll just return it and get that d90 that you so much desire Cab. Did you know that your last name is a signature skateboard trick?
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I might beat you to it depending on the release dates here/there. But I'm probably keeping my D90 until I know I have something better. I'm really hanging out for something like a D800, full frame, manual shutter, decent codec, 1080p. That's the dream camera.....has to happen this year.
 
Car3o said:
Has to happen at the price of say nothing less than $5k. Might as well just get an HMC and a Letus/Brevis/SG/Redrock
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If it can encode mjpeg @ 50mbps it will be worth 5k. Just look at some of the 4fps twixtor stuff to see what a nikon with a faster processor/encoder could be capable of. here's an example http://www.dvxfest.com/lossfest/index.php?id=2900498
But it should cost something more like $2500 in line with the D700 pricing.

Nikon could at least give us an option of 12fps and double the bitrate
 
there wont be a camera for a very long time that can match that of a still picture at 24fps. if you want that, you might as well get a 35mm camera.
 
Car3o said:
there wont be a camera for a very long time that can match that of a still picture at 24fps. if you want that, you might as well get a 35mm camera.
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At 50mbps you're talking a pretty decent quality 268k per frame @ 1280x720. Sure it's not raw but not many people will be able to tell the difference. It would be a close enough match to 35mm to satisfy me.
 
I just want to know if this camera will look as good as the Mark 2. If it will, I'll buy it. The Mark 2 can stream seamlessly with Red footage.

I'd like to know from the tech-savvy folk here: Does this camera's specs match up to the Mark 2 picture-wise?
 
The 5D encodes H.264/mpeg-4 @ up to 47mbps which is about triple the bit rate of the GH1. The GH1's sensor is half the size of the sensor on the 5D. It's probably a good thing they didn't put 24p in the 5D because I would have sold a kidney for one.
 
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