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Canon + Nikon can´t afford to ignore the urgent and constant calls after manual control. Canon has just announced in a white paper that they will offer manual controls as soon as possible. Nikon will do the same - no doubt about it. They will not relinquish this expanded + promising market to companies like Panasonic and Samsung. Nobody gonna believe that.

And yes, maybe they are not ready this year to offer a soundless AF - but it will soon take place. And most filmmaker here don´t need AF as they mentioned. The other side of the story is, that Nikon has the best lenses on the market. And most professionals already have quite a few. The zoom-lens of pana cost around 800,-. with a f-stop of 4.0. Sure there will come more till the end of the year with af-abilities. But they will cost a lot too. The old used Nikon-FX-Lenses you can get rather inexpensive.... and so on and so forth...

Let´s wait and see...
 
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I doubt Nikon or Canon will respond to the GH1. They make cameras for photographers. And bank on making good glass. Panasonic on the other hand saw the attention the d90 and mk2 was getting and did it right. I think they were aiming at the RED products to be honest. I'm willing to bet you won't see a good vdslr from Nikon or Canon for a while. The newest Nikon D??? will have the same flaws as the d90, but at 1080p. Also, you can probably bet the GH1 won't overheat, plain and simple fact, everything uses the LCD.
 
Car3o said:
...I'm willing to bet you won't see a good vdslr from Nikon or Canon for a while...
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Haha... that´s my second wager. I already got one with Matt. But you´re on - 5 bucks/euro. I suppose "for a while" means this year...

To avoid any misunderstanding - the GH1 will be a great camera. That´s for sure. But Canon + Nikon will make it just as well...
 
alright, lets wager this. I say Canon will probably have a new camera, but it wont' be a DSLR, it'll be in their pro lineup, like XH-A1 but will all the Mk2 features. Nikon will probably have a better Movie Mode, but it will only harness 1080p but will have all the same limitations the D90 has. I.E. horrible rolling shutter and probably lack of manual control. Probably a better bitrate. It won't have a FF sensor, that's just how they'll roll. It would jeopardize all their Pro Model camera's. 5/euro, you're on.
 
It won't be FF. That's for sure. But manual controls? I bet yes. (I guess you'll have to choose on this one for the bet to be valid! :D )
 
The panny is tempting but I'm really not liking the 2x crop factor......my wide lenses aren't wide enough as it is on the D90. But if it gets to June (I start shooting in June) and Nikon or Canon don't respond I'll probably shoot the film on the panny provided the picture surpasses the D90's. I'd like to shoot it in 1080p and I'm getting annoyed with overheating, 50hz scrolling waves and the heavy compression. But it really comes down to the picture, so panasonic impress me.

Zak has been surprisingly quiet on this thread.....maybe he knows something we don't?
 
how many shots do you plan to use a wide angle lens on? unless Zak secretly works for Panasonic he probably knows as much as the guy who started this thread.
 
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how many shots do you plan to use a wide angle lens on? unless Zak secretly works for Panasonic he probably knows as much as the guy who started this thread.
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Lots of shots, I want a surreal look.
He's been talking to Nikon
 
I was just looking at stu's blog and there was talk of a minimum 1/60th shutter speed setting......if that's true we can forget about the GH1 in PAL land.....50hz scrolling wave hell!
 
we'll have to wait and see....at least they have an option for PAL whereas canon dropped the ball on that too. for your wides just move your camera back 25% more than you would if you had a d90. remember the d90 is 1.5x crop.
 
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A few things from the panny specs-

no 5min record limit.....record till your card fills up
video monitoring through the viewfinder or LCD.....no more bag over your head
optical image stabilization in movie mode (built into the kit lens).....hold the jello
shoots PAL 1980x108050i 25fps (UK specs)
full time live view.......no overheating?

what I don't like-
17mbps compression....why not 24mbps?
108024p embedded in a 1080i60 stream.....dumb
2x crop factor.....need wider glass

what I want to know-
1/50th shutter?
big brother in development?
how well does it handle low light shooting?
can the true 1080p24 off the sensor be recorderd directly through the hdmi output before it gets encrusted?

more-
http://i.gizmodo.com/5163482/panaso...ro-four-thirds-sequel-shoots-full-1080p-video
http://prolost.blogspot.com/2009/03/panasonic-gh1.html
http://www.panasonic.co.uk:80/html/en_GB/2146697/index.html?trackInfo=true

while it looks good on paper there are still some compromises with the compression and encoding.
Why can't any of the corporations get it right.....all I want is a digital replicant of 100 year old technology.
 
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can someone explain to me why there's a problem with 1080i/60 stream or whatever the GH1 does? Doesn't PPro automatically add pulldown so it's output will be 24p? Just curious, I don't think I've ever edited 1080i/60p before. What other camera out there does this?
 
yeah, i read that, but i'm still not registering as to why it's a problem. I'm pretty sure PPro adds 3:2 pulldown automatically when dealing with interlaced files working on a 24p timeline and it's no big headache at all. Dunno, guess I'll just have to wait for it to find out.

And, I'm probably wrong but isn't the signal fed to the lcd screen 1080 60i but the final product is 24p?
 
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Lots of shots, I want a surreal look.
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For wide angle, I'm guessing OIS and focus are not as critical, so you can use any wide angle lens you really like. Course, you do have the crop factor to deal with. Raynox makes some adapters for the G1 that may work, if you need something too wide to be affordable.

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I was just looking at stu's blog and there was talk of a minimum 1/60th shutter speed setting....
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Well, when shooting 60p, you can't have a shutter speed longer than a frame, right?

squig said:
full time live view.......no overheating?
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Current G1 uses full time live view, with no reports of overheating.

17mbps compression....why not 24mbps?
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The CPU in the new camera is dual core. There is H.264 encoding hardware intellectual property out there, its quite likely they dropped one of those into the CPU-- thus 17Mbps may be all thats needed.

Why can't any of the corporations get it right.....all I want is a digital replicant of 100 year old technology.
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Where I'm standing, unless they did someting stupid I'm not aware of, they are the first company to get it right. I *really* hate AVCHD because it adds nothing over MPEG4 but pointless restrictions... but that and the rest are quibbles in the face of what's important to me.
 
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also squig, what's the widest lens you have? if you have a 28mm for the d90 a 20mm would act the same on the gh1.
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I have a nikkor 28mm but I'm looking at getting an arsat 20mm. But the annoying thing is you have to use an f/2.8 20mm lens to get the same FOV as a 28mm f/2 on the D90. On a full frame camera you could use a 35mm f/1.4 to get approx the same FOV. So with a 2x crop factor you can't really have fast and wide.

If I buy the panny I might get the 7-14mm depending on how spendy it is. it's f/4 but it could be really useful for running around with the steadytracker, the OIS and AF could be really useful for extreme run and gun work.

It just bugs me that it's only 17mbps when there are cheap camcorders out there that do 24mbps.

Panasonic Australia are saying it will be available late may.
 
pp doesn't remove pulldown automatically (it certainly doesn't "add" it, who'd want 150 fps?), i don't know any software that does. i know plenty that can do it, but it's far from automatic and almost always requires an extra step. advanced pulldown can often be removed more or less automatically but they're not saying that it's what's being used.

/matt
 
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