EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates
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Galleddrim
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Right . . . because Panasonic is totally interested in censoring the footage from all their cameras after official release just like they are PRE-release. If you buy a Panny you better be good with it, or they'll make you take your Youtube video down!
That's ridiculous. It doesn't matter how good you are with it right now. It is PRERELEASE. They don't want random clips from pre-finalized firmware floating around. Obviously when the camera actually hits the market, all holds are off.
As well there should be. Panasonic Marketing and Product Management has not handled pre-release well. There should have been a nice controlled release of high quality scenes or films to show the camera in its best light prior to release. Its just common sense for a product release cycle. These random clips coming up is just sloppy on Panasonic's part.
No, and they don't need to. Buyers will find out what the EVA-1 can or can't do over time, regardless of what examples come out. These random clip releases aren't doing any harm to the product, but it's just sloppy marketing.
We have a witty one over here ladies and gents. :thumbsup:
At least one. There seems to be a few thin skinned people around here.
For those who totally missed my point, like I said I KNOW what the motivation is for taking the videos off line. I also didn't say Panasonic's goal is to censor people's footage.
My point is there's not much point doing so. We will have the same crappy footage all over the place once the camera comes out. It's inevitable. Pre release model or not you just know people will post screwed up footage. Unless every single EVA1 is going to Roger Deakins type of talented shooters. But as we know this won't be the case we will have screwed up footage no matter what. And then what? Exactly, you can just say the same thing you could say now and use the same explanation. So why even bother censoring now?
If it's fear of losing sales because of such footage, most smart people wait till a camera is released and get to the hands of first adopters anyway. If bad footage will cause loss of sales it will still do its job as bad footage will come early enough anyway. People will still get to see bad footage before they buy. So again why even bother censoring now?
My point is there's not much point doing so. We will have the same crappy footage all over the place once the camera comes out. It's inevitable. Pre release model or not you just know people will post screwed up footage. Unless every single EVA1 is going to Roger Deakins type of talented shooters. But as we know this won't be the case we will have screwed up footage no matter what. And then what? Exactly, you can just say the same thing you could say now and use the same explanation. So why even bother censoring now?
If it's fear of losing sales because of such footage, most smart people wait till a camera is released and get to the hands of first adopters anyway. If bad footage will cause loss of sales it will still do its job as bad footage will come early enough anyway. People will still get to see bad footage before they buy. So again why even bother censoring now?
filmguy123
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I understand your question Sttratos.
I think Panasonic is currently "censoring" footage because they do not want anymore footage released except for on their new firmware, which they feel improves the image dramatically. I don't think this is out and installed on cameras yet. I do think this is a different issue than merely just not wanting bad footage around pre-release, as it revolves more around having accurate footage around pre-release (good or bad).
Does the new firmware actually change things dramatically? I have no clue. No one does except Panasonic. It stands to reason it does, as they had sent out pre-release cameras for other people to review and post footage of online with the intent of letting them post what they may. Right before publication they put out the hold as they have come back to address in firmware the criticisms received.
Is this just a line from Panasonic to cover up not allowing any non-pro footage online? Maybe. If that is your assertion, you might be right. But I personally doubt it, though that's just my perspective based on watching the events unfold - and your assertion and perspective is no less unreasonable than mine (though arguably less probable). The one criticism of it that people are likely reacting to is that it seems less probable given the unfolding of events and Panasonic's original intent, and it also requires calling Mitch a liar. While I understand how a rep is a rep - and agree if such an assertion was true, this is what a rep might say - I'm sure you can see why it starts to become an increasingly touchy subject for some, especially when there is a perfectly reasonable and probable explanation for holding footage until the new firmware is released.
I asked Mitch what else the engineers are working on besides High ISO/ISO 2500 and he said he could not answer, so who knows if image aesthetics in normal daylight/base 800 ISO will change much at all. He also indicated that the engineers are very satisfied with their results in general, so take that as you will. Noel's footage was shot on the old firmware, and that is being released to the public in a week. But maybe they're ok with it because it's under Panasonic's watch closely.
So anyway, I see it less as "censorship" and more as Panasonic's right to a proper roll-out on a pre-release camera. YMMV...
I look forward to seeing more footage soon, in a variety of hands, like the rest of us.
I think Panasonic is currently "censoring" footage because they do not want anymore footage released except for on their new firmware, which they feel improves the image dramatically. I don't think this is out and installed on cameras yet. I do think this is a different issue than merely just not wanting bad footage around pre-release, as it revolves more around having accurate footage around pre-release (good or bad).
Does the new firmware actually change things dramatically? I have no clue. No one does except Panasonic. It stands to reason it does, as they had sent out pre-release cameras for other people to review and post footage of online with the intent of letting them post what they may. Right before publication they put out the hold as they have come back to address in firmware the criticisms received.
Is this just a line from Panasonic to cover up not allowing any non-pro footage online? Maybe. If that is your assertion, you might be right. But I personally doubt it, though that's just my perspective based on watching the events unfold - and your assertion and perspective is no less unreasonable than mine (though arguably less probable). The one criticism of it that people are likely reacting to is that it seems less probable given the unfolding of events and Panasonic's original intent, and it also requires calling Mitch a liar. While I understand how a rep is a rep - and agree if such an assertion was true, this is what a rep might say - I'm sure you can see why it starts to become an increasingly touchy subject for some, especially when there is a perfectly reasonable and probable explanation for holding footage until the new firmware is released.
I asked Mitch what else the engineers are working on besides High ISO/ISO 2500 and he said he could not answer, so who knows if image aesthetics in normal daylight/base 800 ISO will change much at all. He also indicated that the engineers are very satisfied with their results in general, so take that as you will. Noel's footage was shot on the old firmware, and that is being released to the public in a week. But maybe they're ok with it because it's under Panasonic's watch closely.
So anyway, I see it less as "censorship" and more as Panasonic's right to a proper roll-out on a pre-release camera. YMMV...
I look forward to seeing more footage soon, in a variety of hands, like the rest of us.
Oh I think people may be reading too much into what I said then. I definitely didn't mean to call Mitch a liar. And my assertion has nothing to do with what you mentioned. I'm not even sure I have an assertion.
I'm not aware of any firmware problems. So I couldn't have thought this is just a line from Panasonic to cover up not allowing any non-pro footage online. I'm not following this very long thread that closely. I'm not that interested. I just check if new footage is posted. So I just thought they were taking it down because it didn't look as good as they thought ideal. That's it. I didn't try to guess any further than that. I just look at the footage. A picture says a 1000 words.
If people are hanging on the word censor, don't make a big deal of it. I could as well have said shut down, take down, or any other expression to describe it. I saw several videos being taken down so far, saw no point in it since they can't hold bad footage from coming out forever and decided to post about it. There is nothing more behind it.
filmguy123
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No worries Sttratos! I didn't think much of it, it's a valid question with a valid answer
I think there's sometimes an assumption of hostile intent when people read posts with any challenging or contrarian questions on the internet, rather than just assuming the person on the other end of the keyboard is a nice guy/gal who has genuine questions (even if tough) - and is genuinely looking for answers, not to ruffle feathers.
I appreciate reading opinions and thoughts - even more so when they aren't mine! Last thing we need is a giant echo chamber. I didn't read any disrespect into anything.
I think there's sometimes an assumption of hostile intent when people read posts with any challenging or contrarian questions on the internet, rather than just assuming the person on the other end of the keyboard is a nice guy/gal who has genuine questions (even if tough) - and is genuinely looking for answers, not to ruffle feathers.
I appreciate reading opinions and thoughts - even more so when they aren't mine! Last thing we need is a giant echo chamber. I didn't read any disrespect into anything.
Alpha Beta Omega
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I certainly hope for those who plan on getting this camera that it won't need any fiddling with settings to get the most out of it. The best cameras have one way, and one way only, that gets the most out of the camera and it's there from the beginning.
NorBro
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Which settings would you fiddle with?
I think with every camera you mainly have to worry about your 101 settings; exposure, focus, white balance, aperture and shutter.
After that*, it's really the availability of light (in my opinion) that will make you or break you (your camera).
[*Provided you have a high-quality recording format and a decent lens available.]
I think with every camera you mainly have to worry about your 101 settings; exposure, focus, white balance, aperture and shutter.
After that*, it's really the availability of light (in my opinion) that will make you or break you (your camera).
[*Provided you have a high-quality recording format and a decent lens available.]
stoneinapond
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Sorry, but that is close to nonsense. So long as a camera has a decent interface, it is incumbent on the operator to "fiddle" with it if they want to express their own vision. There is no one way. Unless it's an automatic point and shoot.
filmguy123
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Right. Kind of like all tools. Kitchen appliances, race cars, drills, coffee machines, sound recorders, BBQs, chairs - they all have one way, and one way only, that gets the most out of them.
That's why I miss film cameras. They had no variables and just one film stock, which is why film looks so good, and why DPs are so overrated.
That's why I miss film cameras. They had no variables and just one film stock, which is why film looks so good, and why DPs are so overrated.
TubEfingers
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Anyone know if there's a confirmed UK release date for the EVA?
Image quality. That's my primary concern. Gotta have 4k 'cause even my grandmother demands 4k, though she's not exactly sure what it is. Beyond that, image, image, image. I love the VariCam color. I can't afford $25-40k. If Eva comes close, I'm going to take her to the prom.
Ursa and Ursa mini should be included in this group. Image quality is good.
Run&Gun
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Two of the most nonsensical posts I've ever read on here, including my own ramblings.
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