digitalinnovations
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...and possibly for the LT, no?
EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates
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Ha... Ha , maybe ! but if they limit the recording options and frame rates and a few more options
then maybe not.
They may decide not to offer Raw output, just different versions of 10bit 4K 4:2:2
I for one would be happy with Internal 10bit 4K 4:2:2 Pro Res or Ultra (at high bitrates) and not Raw if I could have Dual ISO and some
form of IS.
Just my Wishlist !
then maybe not.
They may decide not to offer Raw output, just different versions of 10bit 4K 4:2:2
I for one would be happy with Internal 10bit 4K 4:2:2 Pro Res or Ultra (at high bitrates) and not Raw if I could have Dual ISO and some
form of IS.
Just my Wishlist !
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digitalinnovations
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Oh, I'm with you. I really hope Panny kills it with this camera. I cut my teeth on various ENG cameras from Panasonic and always liked them but as these larger sensor cameras came in and more or less took over they've fallen behind a bit or just been late to the game. It would be nice to get some more, fully-professional camera options that require rigging out the wazoo for simple things like on-board audio and battery run-times.
morgan_moore
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Did the Fs7 kill the F5?
Maybe maybe not.
Knowing the two cameras quite well I know they have different roles..
FS7 Small batteries, light easy to fly cant power loads of extras like a focus motor
F5 BIg batteries heavy, hard to fly, can power loads of gubbins like a focus motor genlock box whatever
FS7 e-mout - loads of great cheap options for glass - not robust enough to take a Preston or a cine zoom
F5 FZ mount - limited glass options - robust enough for a preston and a cine zoom
FS7- nice swept in XLR
F5 XLR removes because soundie does that sh_it
the list goes on
One is a production camera the other a solo op camera each suited to their own task
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This is the way I've been reading them as well. It's a little disingenuous is it not?
Run&Gun
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You can put lots of glass on the F5/55 FZ mount, too. Canon EF, Canon FD, Nikon, Leica R, Leica M, Olympus, Contax, Sony Alpha, B4 2/3", s35 PL, s16 PL.
puredrifting
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The more I have been reading about the Varicam LT and after watching the footage from "Thirteen Reasons Why", the more enamored I am becoming of the camera, I believe since it shares the same sensor as the Varicam 35, the same images could have just as easily been created with the Varicam LT. If I used my Zacuto VCT Pro Baseplate, bought the Zacuto Graticle Eye instead of the $6k Panasonic VF, only had two 256GB P2 Express cards for 90 minutes of 4K, that is a really appealing A camera to me for documentary for about a $20k package. Having Adam Wilt and several others remark how much the image resembles the color science from the Arri Alexa carries a lot of weight for me as that is probably the best looking digital cinema camera to date. I keep reading comments that the images don't just look like an accurate representation of the image photographed when seen with the naked eye, multiple reviewers have said, the images are identical to what the naked eye sees and is completely "transparent" would be the term we would use when describing studio monitors (speakers). That is incredibly appealing to me when I price out the same with a loaded up C300 MKII. I love the C300 MKII but I feel the Varicam LT is in a whole different class of camera and image. It's becoming tough to say I would spend about $16k for a C300 MKII with enough batteries and cards with NO 4K 60P and not very good 1080 or 2K slow motion when for a little over $20k, I could get the 4K 60P, great variable frame rates up to 120 FPS in 1080 or 2K (the above 240 FPS on the Varicam LT looks terrible to me) and those Arri like colors. It's making me think about it.
But then my rational side says, "$20k?!?! Are you nuts?" and I talk myself back down this new mystery camera as a fiscally responsible solution, if it's good.
But then my rational side says, "$20k?!?! Are you nuts?" and I talk myself back down this new mystery camera as a fiscally responsible solution, if it's good.
fboonzaier
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Everything you said makes perfect sense...and there really would be nothing you could not use the LT for...except stealth...It just such a camera in every way...though 20,000 is a lot on money on one hand...I think Panasonic gives you a lot for that money
Jason R. Johnston
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It would be very nice indeed if this new mystery camera had Varicam's color science with full V-log, internal 10bit 422 ProRes, etc...except with DVX200-style batteries and SDXC cards...a Varicam LT LT, if you will...and for ~$5000. I really hope that LCD comes with a loupe.
Also, I don't think Panasonic is late to the party, per se. I think they sit back and watch what the competition is doing, then make their plans...
Also, I don't think Panasonic is late to the party, per se. I think they sit back and watch what the competition is doing, then make their plans...
morgan_moore
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Indeed you can without a speedboost - but my main point is that if one is working at a certain level - high torque motors and heavy lenses, collimation for repeatable focus marks for a set of lenses that must stay "in" over days and maybe high g environments the e-mount basically won't work - meaning that for some scenarios the fs7 will never work and cannot therefore "kill" the 5/55
I've not worked with a top a/c but my understanding is they would mark thier rings in pre production testing and expect the mark still to be "in" by day 30?
If I were renting a chopper and a shot over head with FIZ I would not go near emount
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Funny enough, i shot with the varicam 35 at iso5000 and when i was looking at my lighting i thought it looked dark but when i look at the image from the camera, it was spot on. It was way more sensitive than my eyes.
puredrifting
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Several reviewers have said the same thing. I have owned several Panasonic cameras and to my eye, they always had a bit more of a filmic vibe than the other cameras, more grain, but nice grain and beautiful, saturated colors. The production company I worked at, we had the HPX170s and EX1s and while the EX1 image was higher resolution and much cleaner, it was so sterile and antiseptic and looked like video. Whereas my HPX170 reminded me so much of shooting S16 film, which I loved when I had an Arri SR2, back in the day. Ultra clean signal cameras are boring looking to me, I even like the grain structure and a bit of noise on my C100/C300. Native ISO 5000, even if you downrate it to 2500-4000, is a game changer for production, especially documentary.
Yes, I'm expecting something like this but without the Varicam LT sensor or dual ISO gain paths. ( the image won't be as nice as the Varicam LT, but it will still be a really good image )
Thomas Smet
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Considering the GH5 has internal 10bit and will get up to 400mbps all-I I would sure hope this new camera has at least that. If it does have a s35mm sensor it should be much closer to the dynamic range to use the full V-log as well. It may or may not be as good as Varicam but I would sure hope a larger s35mm sensor with just enough pixels for 4k would have a higher dynamic range than the GH5 unless Panasonic did something seriously wrong. Having a larger sensor and not forcing photo resolutions with that sensor should help out a lot.
Internal ProRes is the only thing I'm not sure of but it should have at least some form of all-I recording similar to the GH5. I'm still putting my money on the camera having AVC-Ultra and AVC-Intra internal recording which is a really good Panasonic format for all-I 4:2:2 10bit recording. It will likely also of course have HDMI and/or SDI out for external recording to your format of choice. My hope is the camera will support raw via SDI to an external recorder but that is a wish.
Mitch Gross
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The next camera will have many great features, but will not be obsoleting the VariCam LT. There's a LOT to be said for both cameras. We're just providing more options.
Mitch Gross
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If you or anyone else here on DVXuser would like to demo a VariCam LT, please feel free to PM me. It is a terrific camera with a gorgeous image and tons of functionality.
Run&Gun
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Last night I watched a "camera/lens test" video that BandPro did with the LT and the Angie EZ lenses. It was a typical model/music vid type deal and a LOT of it was shot available on the streets at night. Watching the BTS you say, "man there's no way that can look good" and when they cut to the actual graded LT footage, it was amazing, ESPECIALLY considering that it was an uncontrolled available light shot at night. I'd bet that most people would have never been able to tell, if they hadn't seen the BTS. I admit, I was impressed(I was watching on an iPad and not a large TV, though). I believe they said they shot RAW to an Odyssey recorder, btw.
Retrospective
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If this new camera carries the Varicam badge then I don't care what other things they put into it since it will have the same sensor as the 35/LT. Right???
Well, wishful thinking.Well as always Im prepared to be underwhelm.
fboonzaier
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Not to stay off topic, but excited as I am about the new camera...we are trying to put a feature film together, followed by a series for Netflix and when the funding for the film happens, it's the Varicam LT the production will buy....it's already also on the list of cameras for projects Netflix will produce.
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