Panasonic announces UX180 and UX90 pricing & availability

B&H is now listing the price of the UX180 at $3495USD. The price reduction makes the UX180 more compelling even if TC is not needed.
 
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AG-UX180 difference of $300 for HD-SDI and Timecode compared to the HC-X1 may be worth it. A more reasonable price difference between the models. $3495 for the UX-180 and $3199.99 for the HC-X1. The AG-UX90 is listed as $2095 indicating a much lower model in the range.
 
Is there anyway to get TC in/out of the UX90? Maybe via the wireless app? I just can't see the justification of being labeled "professional" without TC capabilities.

And seriously? RCA connectors in 2016? Seems like a "Well we're taking away TC, what else can we put there instead?"

They should just put back the TC and SDI. Smaller lens and lesser format recording capabilities is enough to label it as the little brother camera.
 
Ron Evans said:
AG-UX180 difference of $300 for HD-SDI and Timecode compared to the HC-X1 may be worth it.
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The SDI is "3G-SDI", not "HD-SDI". HD-SDI supports 720/60p and 1080/60i, but 3G-SDI supports 1080/60p.

The AG-UX90 is listed as $2095 indicating a much lower model in the range.
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The UX90 is definitely a very different model, as the numbering would indicate. It is more of a situation like the AC-90 vs. AC-160. Panasonic's numbering has generally been consistent within a model family; the AC130 was a lot closer to the AC160 than the AC90 was to the AC160, for example. So when models are being introduced at the same time, you can look at the numbers to get a decent idea of how they relate to each other, and the price tags seem to indicate the same. Of course, when you cross model lines (like comparing AG- cameras to AJ-cameras) or companies (professional/broadcast division AG-UX vs. consumer division HC-X1) then the comparison doesn't work, and if too much time has elapsed then the comparison doesn't work (i.e., HC-X1000 vs. HC-X1; the X1000 is not 1000 times the camera the HC-X1 is!) But when they're introduced at the same time (like the AC 90 vs. 130 vs. 160, or the UX90 vs. UX180 vs. DVX200) then the model numbers are usually an indicator as to where each sits in the respective pecking order.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Is there anyway to get TC in/out of the UX90? Maybe via the wireless app? I just can't see the justification of being labeled "professional" without TC capabilities.
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Many professional Panasonics haven't had TC in/out capabilities; usually the low-end models don't have it. No idea if the app would allow it or not.

And seriously? RCA connectors in 2016? Seems like a "Well we're taking away TC, what else can we put there instead?"
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These cameras are sold worldwide. There are still huge swaths of the world for which RCA is relevant. You may recall that a few years ago Panasonic removed SD from one of their models, it was HD-only. The outcry from the stations who produce content for the billions of people who live in SD-only was significant, so they re-introduced SD and now all their current models offer SD recording. A DVX200 or UX-180 can record 4K, or HD 1080p, or HD 1080i, or HD 720p, or even standard-def PAL or NTSC interlaced video, even though many/most of us would consider standard-def long since obsolete. But the reality is that there are still territories where these things are very relevant.

They should just put back the TC and SDI. Smaller lens and lesser format recording capabilities is enough to label it as the little brother camera.
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That isn't the way it works. The UX90 is not a UX180 that's had some ports snipped off. There are substantial differences between the cameras, as reflected in their price tags. The UX90 is what it needs to be, to hit that price point. If you want TC in/out and SDI, that's what the UX180 is for (and, while paying for the UX180, you'll also get a longer lens, 20x instead of 15x, and a wider FOV in 4k/UHD, among other improvements). The difference in price tags reflects the difference in capability between the cameras.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
And seriously? RCA connectors in 2016?
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I agree with Barry and I will add this. I am on live streaming area and from my experience some clients need to send video signal on a video wall or a tv monitor/projector. The cheap way is the tv/projector (on video wall solution we use our machines) and as far as I know there is no projector that accept SDI input. So due HDMI length limitations the only way to send image is the SD composite way.

Maybe you will never use SD on your office/home but it will useful for a lot of years I think.
 
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3G-SDI. Yes I did know that just my typing !!! Was focused on the fact it does go to HD when it is recording UHD60P? 3G-SDI does not support UHD 60P that is 12G-SDI, 6G-SDI for UHD 30P and 3G_SDI for 1080at 60P. Will be great if it really does work as you say as that would make a combination with an ATOMOS Inferno really good. THough if the HC-X1 is the same it would be more cost effective as to get UHD60P out it would have to be the HDMI anyway.

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So the GH5 will be able to shoot in 4K at 10 bit and 4:2:2. If only Panasonic would do the same to the UX180.​
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Well, the GH5 isn't shipping yet. I can live with products in the farther future being better than other products in the nearer future.
But I do feel like a case could be made for output parity with the GH4....
 
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So the GH5 will be able to shoot in 4K at 10 bit and 4:2:2. If only Panasonic would do the same to the UX180.​
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I agree! Especially since the UX180 is a dedicated video camera and (probably) costs at least twice as much as the GH5, it should at least be able to output 10-bit 4:2:2 to an external recorder. Or better yet, be able to record it like the GH5. I think Panny is probably trying to protect the DVX200 market. But this may lead some people to buy the GH5 instead of the UX180 - depending upon what features are important to them.

But then again, we haven't seen any footage yet from either camera, so we don't know how big a difference it will be.
 
Sumfun said:
...it should at least be able to output 10-bit 4:2:2 to an external recorder. [snip] I think Panny is probably trying to protect the DVX200 market.
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I am also surprised by that. I had expected 10bit output on the UX180, and 8-bit output on the HC-X1. The DVX-200 retains V-Log, which is a marketable advantage (it's a paid upgrade on the GH4/5 as well). The -200 is likely to have better resolving power and low-light performance given its larger sensor as well, so really I don't think that Panasonic has to protect the DVX-200 from its down-market children. If that were a concern, surely the threat the GH5 supposedly makes on UX180 sales is even greater against the DVX-200?
 
According to the specs the UX90 has a pretty significant sensor crop when shooting 4K or Ultra HD (about 1.44x crop factor which means that only about half of the sensor area ends up being used compared to shooting HD). The UX180 uses the same sensor area whether shooting HD or Ultra HD.

So it seems like the noise performance when shooting 4K should be better for the UX180 compared to the UX90. And given the specs, it seems like the two cameras probably have different sensors (not to mention different lenses), so the UX90 and UX180 may end up performing quite a bit differently.

Although we'll have to wait for tests of both cameras to know for sure.
 
davedv said:
So it seems like the noise performance when shooting 4K should be better for the UX180 compared to the UX90. And given the specs, it seems like the two cameras probably have different sensors (not to mention different lenses), so the UX90 and UX180 may end up performing quite a bit differently.
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I hope for that, because I was waiting for a lot of months to choose between UX180 & Sony Z150. If performance of UX180 is the same, I will choose Z150 (with all the limitations that it have).
 
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