MichaelTiemann
Active member
No 720p60.
Panasonic announces aj-hpx3100 p2 hd camcorder
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No 720p60.
A baby takes nine months. You can't get a baby in one month by throwing nine women at the problem.
I've been meaning to talk to my wife about that !
Otis Grapsas
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Not that important to many people I guess. Some prefer the 1080/30p Panasonics vs the more affordable 60p models with 720p and 540p sensors.
combatentropy
Veteran
I do. I saw the need for a S35 sensor in 1993(ish), as I sought shallow focus in my 1/2" videocamera. I don't think waiting over 15 years is impatient.
In 2000 they had a digital SLR that was 2K, S35, CCD. Of course, it could not shoot 60 or even 24 frames per second. But 10 years, and they still can't work it out?
1920x1080x30 has been Panasonic's limit for years (which was news to me, actually, because I thought even the first Varicams did true 720p60)
I hate to sound ungrateful. I, of course, do not know how to build an image sensor of any kind. But yes, they do seem like they're holding back to me. That's my feeling.
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Otis Grapsas
Carbonite Member
There are many options and there will be more by the end of the year. It's just that if you want many of they key features at the best variant it will be impossible or cost a fortune. You have to decide what is more important to you.
-s35, 2/3", 1/2", 1/3", 1/4" DOF
-big, medium, small pixel size
-global shutter, rolling shutter
-4K, 1080p, 720p, 540p sensor
-uncompressed, good intraframe, low res intraframe, GOP, low quality GOP, consumer GOP compression
-extreme slow motion, 2x slow motion, no slow motion
-interchangeable lens, fixed lens
combatentropy
Veteran
s35
big
global
1080p
uncompressed or good intraframe or good GOP
60 fps
interchangeable
No need to quote me a price. That's kind of my point.
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steve phillipps
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Christian m
Well-known member
1080 is not a good solution for sports, or at least not in pal land where this means 25p if going progressive. 720p50 is a way better solution, the difference between 1080 and 720 broadcast is in the real world impossible to see for the average viewer.
Otis Grapsas
Carbonite Member
With so many 720p channels, so many 1366x768 and 1024x768 TVs and the typical viewing distance for TVs, that's quite probable. I can hardly tell DVD for Bluray in most homes.
Christian m
Well-known member
That`s untill you plug the bluray player into a proper surround system...and load a typical blockbuster
rogar-Happy(DBG):But to not go to of-topic, maybe this will mean there is a similar version with 720p on the horizon? I know there could be issues with multiformat camcorders, as noticed by BBC testing, but a flexible tool capable of both 1080/720 would be nice.
steve phillipps
Veteran
You've got the PDW700 that'll do that, and then of course almost all of the CMOS cameras (HPX300, EX3, PMW350 and 320 etc.)
I guess Sony don't have an issue putting 720 into the PDW700 as they have no 720P line of camcorders to protect.
Steve
No 720/50-60
No 720/50-60
More details here
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales_o/broch_pdf/AJ-HPX3100_pre.pdf
mcity
No 720/50-60
More details here
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales_o/broch_pdf/AJ-HPX3100_pre.pdf
mcity
Bassman2003
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I just don't understand some things in this market. I almost exlusively shoot 720p60 because it have great motion and offers a great donconvert to DVD. A lot of U.S. broadcasters broadcast in 720p60. Why would you make a broadcast camera without 720p60?
In the past few years Panasonic has flooded the market with close cameras and camera numbers along with half price this and that. I would not have confidence what the true value of one of these cameras really is at this point.
I am sure it will have a great image. It will be interesting to see the price.
In the past few years Panasonic has flooded the market with close cameras and camera numbers along with half price this and that. I would not have confidence what the true value of one of these cameras really is at this point.
I am sure it will have a great image. It will be interesting to see the price.
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nageswara rao s
Member
so much of information given by you people, interesting too.... i never ask a question like this hear, any way asking because so much experienced persons are interacting in this thread so i raise my doubt, doesn't mean to deviate the original thread at all. what is the exact difference between hpx 370/ hpx 300 with hpx 2700/ aj hpx 3100/3000. is it simply sensor size differences only or any thing else. i know 300 series is 1/3" sensor and 2700/3000 are 2/3" sensor and also better technical capturing abilities also.
can any one give those technical abilities in understandable manner at all with comparing products in my question too. and include the hpx 500 seriec also for comparision.
thank you for your advice in advance..... and if you people think i am wasting your precious time at all, sorry for that and excuse for my ignorance in camera technicalities.
thank you all very much.
can any one give those technical abilities in understandable manner at all with comparing products in my question too. and include the hpx 500 seriec also for comparision.
thank you for your advice in advance..... and if you people think i am wasting your precious time at all, sorry for that and excuse for my ignorance in camera technicalities.
thank you all very much.
At this point, if it doesn't output 4:4:4, if it's not a Varicam, if it does not record 720p VFR, and if it has just 2 P2 Card slots, the Hpx3100's price range cannot be so unreachable...
But I'm waiting for an official pricing release too.
Hi!
Mainly, the best section to place your questions could be this:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=165
Then... Don't forget that Hpx300/370 series use CMOS sensors while AJ broadcast series camcorders employ the good old CCDs.
The AG-HPX500 is a 2/3" CCD HD/SD camcorder and records high definition images starting from standard definition, pixel-shifted sensors.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Everything on an AJ camcorder, is better than anything on an AG camcorder. The AJ series are Panasonic's premium, high-dollar, best-they-can-make series (such as the AJ-HPX3700). The AG series is their lower-cost line (such as the AG-HPX370 and AG-HPX500).
Dino
Veteran
Yes, to me the best part of the AJ cameras are the tonality and latitude. AVC-Intra 100 helps with latitude and tonality due to lower noise and 10-bit depth. The tell tale give away of an AG camera is how it handles highlights and high contrast scenes, which often look very contrasty, losing shadow and mid-tone detail and highlights that look videoish/electronic and cartoony when in the hard clip.
The AJ cameras look more subtle, less electronic, especially those with Film-Rec gamma. They look much more filmic. The detail circuits are also more sophisticated and controllable, as are matrix, color correction, knee, gammas, etc.
I just shot some amazing Native American tribal dance footage with our HPX2700 in daylight exterior and night time fire lit lighting. Using Film Rec gamma and 9db gain for the night scenes, preserved color in the fire, and some highlight detail as well as capturing mids and mid black detail--an amazing contrast ratio and everything looked very natural and film like, almost like Super 16. The 48 fps scenes in both night and day events are really cool. I think the 2700 P2 Varicam is a fantastic doc camera. It's built like a tank, good in low light due to 720 native sensors, 11 stops of latitude, wonderful colorimetry and tonality and hours of record time on-board with 5 card slots and of course 1-60 fps for off-speed effects.
The AJ cameras look more subtle, less electronic, especially those with Film-Rec gamma. They look much more filmic. The detail circuits are also more sophisticated and controllable, as are matrix, color correction, knee, gammas, etc.
I just shot some amazing Native American tribal dance footage with our HPX2700 in daylight exterior and night time fire lit lighting. Using Film Rec gamma and 9db gain for the night scenes, preserved color in the fire, and some highlight detail as well as capturing mids and mid black detail--an amazing contrast ratio and everything looked very natural and film like, almost like Super 16. The 48 fps scenes in both night and day events are really cool. I think the 2700 P2 Varicam is a fantastic doc camera. It's built like a tank, good in low light due to 720 native sensors, 11 stops of latitude, wonderful colorimetry and tonality and hours of record time on-board with 5 card slots and of course 1-60 fps for off-speed effects.