P2 Group Buy discussion

Mico,

The list is the list. It sums up with P2 card and price equivalent.
That's the bottom line.
First let's have a big group. It's free.

(hopefully big one day! :))
 
I think people could be wary of Jenny paris intentions with this group buy. I, for one hand, see this as a very good opportunity. I don't care if Jenny ends up forming his own company and takes a profit from all of this. All I know is that this could mean more acceptable prices to one of the essencial things I need for shooting.

So I'm all with Jenny on this. We need reasonable P2 prices. Just bought a 2gb USB pen for 250 Hong Kong Dolars, thats 25 EUROS. I just cannot accept, even with such R&D costs of P2, the current price is acceptable.

I hope many of us HVXusers support Jenny. Its a win/win situation.
 
No, we'll bid & buy from authorized Panasonic dealers.
Am just helping building up a list together, aimed to a group buy and building up a User/Buyer Group.

The more we are, the best we can expect.

If positive, it won't be a one shot deal, but something possibly to do again.
 
The list seems to work:
The P2-price is dropped just like the American rebate.
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/dv/_detailpage/kameras/camcorder/2436/Panasonic_KIT-AG-HVX200-2x8.html
This dealer has the HVX + 2x8GB for 6.000 which means the second P2 card is free (or for 550 each). This is just like the deal in the States only IF you buy the cam and until March 31st. Unfortunately I am just now having another german dealer checking this deal. They have sold 5 cards for 550 and got whistled back by Panasonic . Now he was very surprised another dealer has that offer suddenly and calls Pana for me. This seems to get interesting ;-)
So in combination with a camerasale we seem to get the price we heard of. Maybe we will also be able to get the price for people who already own the cam.
 
Spoke to this dealer: he holds the price also: http://teltec.de
We are now inofficially having the P2 rebate running in Europe. Who knows how much influence the dvxuser group had, because both dealers "heard of" the french premature pricedrop!!!
 
Please, let's grow this list, it will be even better.
Your best advantage is to buy TOGETHER. Not to jump on the first opportunity.

Please add your names.
The large list is the first step of my idea, the second step about to be soon brought and proposed to you.
We are a "democratic" (no political mean, but common decision) group.

Don't make any assumption about witnessing drops, just grow our list.

If you don't understand, please ask, PM, but let's stay grouped.
 
50 options to buy P2 in 5 days.

On Monday, will contact dealers you know to see what we can do at this stage. We would all buy from ONE dealer, offering the best.

As it seems we are in transition between 8Gig and 16Gig, would ask the dealer what is the wiser thing to do, like:
- 2 card for one paid (for 33 buyers)
- be advised to wait if an US 8Gig drop should be possible, then a "2 for 1".
- an introductory price on 16Gig.

As counselled here by many, we'll ask the dealer to forward our grouped buy intend to Panasonic, to possibly "get something".

Anyway, it is wise to open dialog with, and be advised by a motivated dealer.

Let the list grow, and eventually a dealer will propose an offer for X P2 bought, and we will know how many more members are needed to reach dealer's offer.

For this quantity, it is not our advantage to split the quota, so it will be for an US dealer.
For those Europeans who are concerned by that, please PM me.
 
50 P2 in 5 days. And now stable.
Asked Spec-Comm to cooperate with us, for an offer, taking NAB2007, and possible 8Gig rebate soon.
 
Jenny,

as from beginning I'm on your side!
I just think that a kind of Association of P2 user in UE is good in any case even if they've already realized what's happening here and lower the price or propose same rebate as in US (but then who already purchased an HVX??).
We could go even further:
- Get some friends good in the WEB and have a simple site with blog " www.P2users.ue/org" and be a virtual association that sometimes can be a competitor to the usual "sly" dealers, but more as a pro consumer group that can influence Pana Europe choices.

let's go ahead with your initiative and then if successful, make it stable and solid.

rap

P.S.
As in the UE Commisions is mainly a lobby job, we have to lobby too!
 
Raptor44,

I share your vision 100% (and more!).

I just answered a mail related to that with Jerry France, because, this 550€ affair, and this idea of grouping our purchases have had an impact, even if not yet very strong, but we need to go on on this vision you described.
I have web know-how, and I agree that we could setup this, collaborating together.
I expect an answer from Spec-Comm this week, and this is just our first step.
When 16Gig will be released, the group buy will be more interesting because the group is more effective when a product is just new with high price, rather than about to be discounted, like the 8Gig is gonna be soon.

Pana US seemed to have an interesting dialog with the expert users and dealers/users.
It seems to me that Pana Europe has not this kind of relationship, for different reasons probably, but also because Pan Europe has no direct link to dealers, but indirect (Pana France, Pana Germany, ...)
 
Jennyparis,

what about the roleback to the (offical soon??) 550€ for 1 8GB card?
Did you hear any news that they now will finally do it(maybe also due to your encouragement here!)??

I would be in for 1 8GB card if we can make it for the 550€ or sub, just if i can get it until the beginning of march.

Would like a 16GB card later, depending on the deal..!

Go Jenny!
 
Germanboy,

we are now asking to Spec Comm what they can offer.
Yes, the videoplus 550€ affair + upcoming NAB2007 (16Gig) + what can be read here from Europeans here asking their national dealers = We could have soon a rebate again in this range.

Hopefully, Spec-Comm will propose something depending on the US side, and we'll see what's happening here in Europe.

This group buy was motivated by the 8Gig drop, but now we are also at a 8/16 frontier.
Dealers, as they proposed, will help us define what can be offered.
Some want an 8Gig NOW, some others can wait till the 8gig drop, others would consider 16.

Will post soon what spec-Comm proposes, for all of us, and will ask one or 2 french dealers.
 
Jennyparis said:
Germanboy,

we are now asking to Spec Comm what they can offer.
Yes, the videoplus 550€ affair + upcoming NAB2007 (16Gig) + what can be read here from Europeans here asking their national dealers = We could have soon a rebate again in this range.

Hopefully, Spec-Comm will propose something depending on the US side, and we'll see what's happening here in Europe.

This group buy was motivated by the 8Gig drop, but now we are also at a 8/16 frontier.
Dealers, as they proposed, will help us define what can be offered.
Some want an 8Gig NOW, some others can wait till the 8gig drop, others would consider 16.

Will post soon what spec-Comm proposes, for all of us, and will ask one or 2 french dealers.
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Jenny- there almost always has to be one naysayer in the crowd, and in this case that would be me . . .

While I wish you and everyone else reaching for their wallets the best of sucsess I'm it bit skeptical and uneasy with this whole thread (and the duplicity in others which parallel it).

My guess, they're probably not a host of dealers sitting on a plentitude of 8gig cards. Prove me wrong.

I don't think you need to post anything *for* Spec-Comm. They are both well known to this group and respected. They have been forthcoming as to the sharing of information within the parameters of their dealer agreement(s), and quite generous in various offers to this group. Please, allow them to speak for themselves.

I'll not be buying more cards before learning what offerings will be tied to NAB (if any) . . . be a shame to go through this entire process only to find you could have had an equivilent deal (or better) right here in our own (USA) backyard.

My suggestion: If you have an authorized dealer interested in making this deal, have them join DVXUser and state for themselves what they are willing to do in plain language, i.e., "DVXUser special is . . ." or "With a group order of 50, 100, whatever, the price is . . ."

And hey, if that works out, you might not have to deal with converting all that USD to francs and, in gratitude, the dealer might even show you some extra appreciation for your efforts.

Just my two cents . . . (how much is that in francs?)
 
Dregenthal,

actually, if you read well all the posts, I agree with you 100%.

Just reading these posts, a, some dealers could make an offer and everyone knows is aware of that.

But, it is a good thing to display this kind of list, to show that people can be together and try something.

There is some positive human attitude in that.

Also, the VIDEOPLUS 550€ story made a lot of dealers react, and it is not very fair to see that a card can lost half its price and then go up again.

This list is the end of this story, and is all about respecting loyal customers.
 
dregenthal said:
J
Just my two cents . . . (how much is that in francs?)
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Um, france went Euro in 1999 didn't it?

I thought this group buy was a European led thing anyway. We're nat all concerned with US prices.
 
I haven't logged on in quite some time so forgive if this has been covered. I once ran a "group buy" for an aircraft group that I belong to. It worked very well. (Hundreds of thousands of dollars by the group spent for a very sweet deal on a popular avionics item.) In order to protect the dealer and the buyers, plus make it so that no one was saddled with handling the money, we first let the dealer(s) give us quotes based on various quantity points. (50 units = 20% off, 100 units 30%. 200 units 50% etc). When the greatest discount was found, each member logged on to our site and listed the quantity they were going to order. When the count was enough, the buy was on.

Each of the group then called in their order to the dealer being sure to make it known this was part of the group buy. They gave credit card info with the understanding that the card would only be charged upon shipping.

A deadline was set up for the group so that it could be "one group transaction". Any late comers lost out. Once the deadline arrived and the dealer had enough secured orders, shipment was made. In that case we had to wait for the dealer to place the order and receive shipment from the manufacturer because the quantity was not normal stock. The delay was well worth the cost savings.


So if Spec Com or other well respected dealers are approached and told we would like to get their best price, then they go to Panasonic and negotiate for example, 200 8gb cards (that's about $260,000.00 list).

Again this may have been covered but I couldn't find it. The group buy I did protected everyone. No one would have been charged had the deal fallen through and the dealer had minimal work to do.

A group buy is a very good way to go if it can be pulled off.
 
Excellent, thanks for sharing your experience. That's the way that makes the most sense, it keeps everyone protected, and should provide the best opportunities for all sides.
 
Ciao Jenny,

any news so far?
I've been and I'm still very busy editing but I constantly check this thread to see how we proceed with this P2 Buyers group.
I appreciate you like the idea of going to complement this thread and your initiative with a kind of virtual association etc. And I'd like to share the next steps we'd take to go for it. Should I PM you?
Also Philarno story is a genuine push to proceed and I'm sure, as for us, that there are many in the list that are holding on buying P2 cards by themselves to see if your project get concrete.
So, if you need a hand, on contacting someone (english speaking..sorry no french) I'll find some time to make it!
As it says: "...some one has to do the dirty job..." And I add that in these days, and more and more, it's hard to find that someone....

Take care,

rap

P.S.
it's quite indicative in the buyers list that there are few italians...we're so far away from french, to have a diffuse consciousness of consumer rights, and a collaborative attitude!
 
What I don't get... DVXUser is, in *itself* a Panasonic user group! There's really no need, as far as I see, to create any mythical "international user group" other than the one that exists already thanks to Jarred, Barry, Jan, and everyone else who contributes here.

The Cineporter "group buy" was implemented by Spec-Comm and gets everyone a 10% discount.

Danny at DVTec gave a significant discount to DVXUser members

EVS has always given a special DVXUser price, as has Spec-Comm.

So I guess I don't really see what the point of all the huffing and puffing is about.
All that's needed is, as Philarno suggested (and I suggested in a slightly different way on the earlier thread) is to create a list, bid it out to the dealers that are interested, and go from there.

No one needs to fly anywhere. We have email and phone now.

No one needs to be confrontational, condescending, or anything else.

But I think the idea that somehow Panasonic is going to give an effective 50% discount (as a 2 for 1) or anything like that just because 100 people want to get together is completely unrealistic.

This isn't rocket science. Let's just see what the offers are from any dealers that wish to bid, and if the deal makes sense, go forward with it, allowing the dealers to handle all the money, shipments, etc.
 
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