C100: overexpose or underexpose on WIDE DR ?

Indeed. My biggest criticism of the C100 are the macroblocks that are present in the footage.

Well I guess I should have ponied out twice the cash for the C300.
 
The macroblocing is due to the AVCHD compression. Why spend thousands more on a C300 when you can record straight to prores on an external recorder? You get a professional 422 codec and save a lot of time transcoding. If you're shooting features even mpeg2 is a bit too lo-fi. A C100 with a ninja is about the same size and weight as a BMCC.
 
Yea, but it is cumbersome, adds weight, need a whole new set of batteries and chargers to maintain and I have to buy it all.

I shoot documentaries, and like to be quick and nimble. It's a pity really. I can forgive all the other shortcomings of the camera, it is unfortunate that Canon decided to cripple it with an inferior onboard codec.
 
Id laugh at those who bring RED or BMCC for weddings and events for run n gun shots lol

its like killing a chicken with AK 47 + armored + shield
 
sebben said:
Yea, but it is cumbersome, adds weight, need a whole new set of batteries and chargers to maintain and I have to buy it all.

I shoot documentaries, and like to be quick and nimble. It's a pity really. I can forgive all the other shortcomings of the camera, it is unfortunate that Canon decided to cripple it with an inferior onboard codec.
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I know this has nothing to do with the thread, but: I spent last weekend shooting BTS for a short film with a Ninja 2 on a C100 on a monopod, running around in bushland in rain and mud for 2 days from 6:30am till 5:30pm each day, with no problems. The Ninja ran out of battery at 4:00pm on the first day but there was less happening on the 2nd day so I managed to extend it to last all day. You do get everything in the Ninja kit ready to use (batteries, charger, 2 caddies), but I'd also recommend getting a sun hood, at least 1 spare battery and if you have more disks then you'll need extra caddies, but that lot should cost less than $100. However, you do have everything you need to use right in the box.
 
I see banding in the wide DR footage. The C-Log looks best to me, and it appears you can shoot a bit shallower to boot. So c-log is still available while recording internally right? Is the problem with shooting in c-log the complexity of grading, the way grading effects the footage or?? I don't quite understand the problem with the footage. The c-log looks great to me and should grade well as far as I can tell.
 
Dusty just destroyed my plans for using the BMC in a shoot in Dec 2012 for getting some specific shots. I was planning to use it along with my C300. I can't deal with moire as my shoot needs high depth of field.

For narratives, I guess the BMC guys will have to choose the talent's wardrobe, if not thickness of the eyebrows. I genuinely want BMC to succeed.

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BMC frame from raw:
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C100 frame from lowly 420:
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Sheldon Charron said:
I see banding in the wide DR footage. The C-Log looks best to me, and it appears you can shoot a bit shallower to boot. So c-log is still available while recording internally right? Is the problem with shooting in c-log the complexity of grading, the way grading effects the footage or?? I don't quite understand the problem with the footage. The c-log looks great to me and should grade well as far as I can tell.
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Banding is sometimes present in WDR and C-log gamma footages (it depends on the type of smooth gradient). Really visible is only on sunset sky or in evening's interiers on the highlights (on the wall and so on). C-log is a little green in yellow (it is visible on faces), WDR looks better, cine1 has a tv look but is correct in colors. I will used cine1 for run and gun (for quick and easy color corrections), the WDR or C-log gamma I will use for some special WD-scenes or for shooting with preapared scenes. Yes, you can use all these gammas with the internal AVCHD record on C100.
 
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Thanks Pave1.

I see banding in the curtains of the WDR shots, more near the top and middle than at the bottom. The Cine1 doesn't look too bad either. Definitely more contrast and looks a bit more finished. WDR and C-log like like they would need serious grading.
 
WDR is more easier for grading (usually you need make some brightness and contrast correction) than C-log, but Canon-log needs more color correction. But C-log is really better for WD-scenes. I need a time for training when shooting WD-scenes in the exterier with C100.

I can get big noise in black parts of pictures in the WD-interier daylight scenes (ND1 or ND2 + F11-15 for chip's right exposure and ISO above 1250 for black parts in DSP) with WDR or C-log gamma, you really needs to know where is the limit (ISO 850 .-) ).

Here is some examples, but this can be much worse (I don't remeber exactly used ND, but it's well illustrates this problem).
http://www.videoproduce.cz/images/38_WDR_ND2_F11_ISO850.tif
http://www.videoproduce.cz/images/38_WDR_no_ND_or_ND1.tif

(both pictures have ISO 850)

C100 has -54dB signal to noise ratio only with ISO320 and NoiseReduction on (+2 or +4). So the noise can be a really visible in the black part of picture (a scene) even in daylight (high-contrast) scene, if you try use higher ISO. But in lowight scenes is C100 really good .-) .
 
 
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