Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

"Out with the DVX" means a Panasonic DVCPRO under $10k is more like under $25k just to be able to shoot 36 minutes of video and it looks like a joke with it's design.

A Z1 under $5k with a Jody's setup is under $9k and you can use it today with a $15,- tape. This setup is not just quality for the price but it is something to look at. And if Jody says it is something I can use in production than every "indy" could use it.

Camcorders like PD170, FX1, DVX100, Xl2 with miniDV was just a perfect solution if you look at the price and the quality you get for it. 1 camcorder + 1 NLE and you are in the business. But under $9k ..... hmmm ... I guess Panasonic going to loose all these indy funs if they want to move over the HD.

If money doesn't metter than you can get more quality today , don't have to wait for a under $10k+++++ camcorder with it's funny look. But if Panasonic wants to beat Sony now than they have to come up with something under $5k.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

If Panasonic bring it out at just under $10,000 they are out of the game. Sony will clean up. The price of the camera "has" to be in the same bracket at the ZU1 to compete.

With very high priase being heaped on the ZU1 and FX1 virtually every day of the week (haven't seen one bad review) Sony have a massive head start on Panasonic.

And who wants anything other than dv tapes anyway? Easy to store, no hassle with downloading shot footage, and CHEAP!

Sorry but if these rumours are true, its Sony 1 Panasonic 0 and full time.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Steve_Shovlar link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#22 date=02/12/05 at 02:17:02]And who wants anything other than dv tapes anyway? Easy to store, no hassle with downloading shot footage, and CHEAP!

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The P2 card is better than miniDV but it cost too much to start with. It is like a hd-recorder.

If you are using miniDV you should use a tapestation for transfer. My guess is that only one from hundred users has a dedicated tapestation and all the others are using the camcorder to transfer the footage to nle.

I'm not against the brand or the price. $10k could be an OK price but the design and the concept? $10k for a palmcorder which going to cost you more if you want to use it?
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Well my DVX is gonna stay with me as a nice bottle of wine or a super8 cam. Its a classic :)
 
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alright...its ok to assume stuff in your own head.. but there is something wickity wackity wrong about spreading your delicious peanut buttery nougat filled assumtions all over the net.
seriously ..(IMHO)peeps need to chill out on all the speculation. the camera will come and then youll know what it has.. theres no reason to start puking up assumptions based on other assumptions and drive eachother nuts over it. barry is correct that jan didnt really confirm or deny much at all. who cares what kind of marketing that is.. seriously... i dont care how they market the camera. ill just wait till they show it to me and decide whether or not im going to buy it. now let me finish drawing my liger... its basically my favorite animal.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#15 date=02/11/05 at 22:51:18]Nate, I'm still asking -- what was confirmed?  Steve went on and on about all sorts of speculation -- whether it'd have 1/3" CCD's, whether it'd use pixel shift, all sorts of stuff that apparently *wasn't* covered in the presentation. [/quote]

Nothing was confirmed, in the way you'd consider real. For me, I saw enough evidence that:

1-The camera we're talking about is Panasonic's answer to the HDV market. This is based on what Jan said in the one mentioned post, and some others in other threads.

2-This camera will use DVCPRO HD. Again, not a big surprise. Panasonic has a big investment in this, and the Varicam has been around for a while now. Trickle down engineering.

3-The camera will be much closer to $10K than $5K. Obviously the most arguable point. Yes they could be just covering their ass and playing the numbers game safe, but as DVCPRO HD is technically superior, and works with higher data rates (and therefore needs faster processing, etc, to the tune of 4 times that of HDV), I'm guessing they can't get DVCPRO HD down that low yet.

I'm just gonna kinda say "whatever" at this point, and not post further on this. My conclusions are just that: My own. I know I need to get moving on HD content NOW, not at the end of the year. DVX music videos are standard fare already, while the one FX1 video I've made has the people I have to impress to stay employed saying "amazing". FX1 and Z1 rentals in Los Angeles are through the roof. People are eating my lunch, while I argue on message boards.

I shoot [and buy] a Z1 for now, and hope Panasonic comes up with something better, at which point I'll buy it.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Sony sales are down. They will be even lower if Panasonic leaks a few more rumors, and if people know it will come out in 2005. Better if before Summer, I know many people that want to be ready when the sunlight is out.

If I knew Panasonic was coming out with such a camera any time soon, I would have no FX1 right now. I would trust Panasonic anytime over Sony, a company still selling interlaced cameras with audio problems and MPEG2 encoding problems.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Zim link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#20 date=02/12/05 at 00:42:03]I just got the picture of the new camera:

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=102[/quote]

That is not, I repeat not, a picture of the new camcorder.

Sorry for not being able to say more guys, I am under lock-down on the subject. I can only say under $10,000, DVCPRO25/50/HD on P2, 24P.

Stay tuned,

Jan
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Nate, I wasn't "challenging" you, I was asking for more information. I don't keep up with every board on the net, so I was looking for more.

What some people are saying as Jan "confirming" Steve's post, I could read as her actually saying "Steve, that's not what you were told and you know it." I mean, he goes on to speculate that the camera alone is $10,000, and that memory cards will cost a whole lot more, etc... and by the time he's done, he's got a potential price of nearly $25,000 there for a full kit! As far as I'm concerned, I think the camera will be much lower, probably $6000 or below, and that it's more likely that the fully-kitted out version will be the $10,000 price that keeps being mentioned. And I base that solely on what Jan has said before: "priced competitive with the Sony".

Of course, that may have changed, as everything is subject to change until it's officially on the market.

So... we will see what we will see. I guess my take on the wording is just different than your guys' take.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Thank you Jan for at least giving us something; My interest is peaked but if the camera is not geared towards the 'indie-filmmaker' market then I'm not interested.

Hell, I'm in no position anyway to upgrade (imminent relocation EAST COAST in 17 months). If something comes out that is a filmmakers dream though; I'm going to cry.

Not really; my DVX will bring me years of servtitude and my work/skills/experience has yet to warrant an upgrade in camera or price or package. So while S.Rawls fondles his camera, whichever that one os, I'll be shooting SD 24p and be happy about it.

BUt damn it better not be a 'filmmakers tool'. >:( :D
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

As far as I'm concerned, I think the camera will be much lower, probably $6000 or below, and that it's more likely that the fully-kitted out version will be the $10,000 price that keeps being mentioned. And I base that solely on what Jan has said before: "priced competitive with the Sony
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I think you're absolutely right, Barry. And realistically, something in the $6,000 range would definitely be price competitive with the Sony, because this cam will be FAR SUPERIOR to the Sony. Obviously, I would be thrilled if it came in at the same price as the Z1, but with all it has to offer, I don't see how it can. But if it does, Sony might as well shut down the production lines for the Z1, because it will be no competition for the Panasonic. Counting my pennies as I type ;D.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

well, even if the new cam does rock as we expect it to, people still bought pd150s and 170s and xl1s long after the DVX was out... i doubt they will quit buying FX or Z1s either..
..which is a good thing in some ways. well take any fair, legal, ethical, and wise advantage over the competition that we can. a little tip of the hat to jan as we continue to astound everyone with our panasonics up our sleeves.
 
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Yeah, I was exagerrating, Neil ;D. But I do think that it will be very stiff competition for Sony, and it could cause a number of people to wait. I know I am one. But, I will still have uses for my PD170, VX2000, and my XL1. Different cams fro different purposes. But, this should turn out to be a very special cam. If someone's on the fence, this would certainly be incentive to wait for the Panny's release.
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#29 date=02/12/05 at 11:05:28]

That is not, I repeat not, a picture of the new camcorder.

Sorry for not being able to say more guys, I am under lock-down on the subject.  I can only say under $10,000, DVCPRO25/50/HD on P2, 24P.

Stay tuned,

Jan[/quote]


Hmmm, I wonder if we took you out and got you drunk if you would give up some more info....... ;D
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#29 date=02/12/05 at 11:05:28]

That is not, I repeat not, a picture of the new camcorder.

Sorry for not being able to say more guys, I am under lock-down on the subject.  I can only say under $10,000, DVCPRO25/50/HD on P2, 24P.

Stay tuned,

Jan[/quote]
Whew!!!

That's a relief. This may sound shallow (form over substance), but that was a funky looking camera.

My curiousity is now peaked. I may have to hold on to my money just a wee bit longer until NAB. Thanks for the update Jan.

sigh ... more waiting. :'(
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#29 date=02/12/05 at 11:05:28]That is not, I repeat not, a picture of the new camcorder.[/quote]
It's good to hear. The camcorder should in worst case look like the DVX and not something like this one on the picture.

[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#29 date=02/12/05 at 11:05:28]I can only say under $10,000, DVCPRO25/50/HD on P2, 24P.
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Only 24p? Not 25p like the DVX100AE in 50i land?
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=15#29 date=02/12/05 at 11:05:28]

That is not, I repeat not, a picture of the new camcorder.

Sorry for not being able to say more guys, I am under lock-down on the subject.  I can only say under $10,000, DVCPRO25/50/HD on P2, 24P.

Stay tuned,

Jan[/quote]

I was just kidding around,,,, but story I read did say palmcorder size. 6, 7, 8, 9 thousand for a palmcorder size cam is going to be to high. Under $5,000 maybe.
 
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[quote author=SergejIvanovits link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=30#37 date=02/12/05 at 14:38:00]Only 24p? Not 25p like the DVX100AE in 50i land?[/quote]
Keep in mind that Jan doesn't represent all of Panasonic. She's the product line manager for the USA, so any camera under her jurisdiction is going to be centered around NTSC or 24p/60p/60i HD. It would seem likely that the European version would have 25p or 50p or 50i etc., but that's not something that Jan controls.
 
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