Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

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Rumour or not; I think we have suspected this. Under $10,000? Ouch. Like what $8999.00 >:( :-/
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

OK!!!
Start saving the change in your ashtray and sofa recliner kiddies!!

Either way, if it's a better cordless drill then the one I have now....I'll buy one. *shrugs*

In the meantime, I'll use the cordless drill I just bought to continue building houses. I should have built enough houses by the time the new drill comes out to have paid for my current drill.

Others who wish to wait idly-by, twidling their thumbs for the realease of the new upcoming feature-packed cordless drill, can do so......... ME...........I'm going to work.

*wink*

- ShannonRawls.com
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

It was a no-brainer that they'd have to respond with a DVCPRO HD 24P camera...a Pana rep at DV Expo even gave me a sideways wink saying "wait a little bit".

I thought it was going to be a little more head-to-head though. Seems Pana is taking the "high road", counting on customers to reject arguable quality of HDV and hassles of workflow. Not to mention creating a new mid-market price space...even $7-8K would weed out the enthusiasts.

Seems cool though...I would rather have more of a choice this way. Z1 for myself, HDX100 for low-budge paid jobs, and film/SDX-900 or F900 for things over $30k.
 
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Didn't they say it would be priced around the same as the Z1?

Personally a DVCPRO HD cam under 10K... wow. With progressive scan from the same guys who brought us the DVX? No questions asked it'll be worth the price.
 
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I haven't heard anyone authoritative comment on this yet. As far as I can tell, this is a story written by someone who wasn't there, according to reports that supposedly someone who *was* there gave them, even after they'd been "sworn to secrecy" but chose to talk anyway, right?

Who's to say it's accurate? Who's to say it's official?

Rumor-mongering is fun, but I'd still want to wait to see the official word from Panasonic before declaring anything as being valid or relevant.
 
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Barry, in the thread linked above, it looks like Jan Crittenden has confirmed:

1) that the meeting happened
2) that the camera will be under $10K
3) that it will record DVCPROHD, DVCPRO50, DVCPRO
4) that it will record 24P

Notably, she does not comment on:

1) memory card pricing
2) if memory cards are included in the $10K price
3) if it records to tape

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/read_post.php?postid=110810251649526&forumid=162
 
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Barry, Jan has posted responses on two different boards commenting on the developing threads...and definately not denying the info.

To me, the idea I got was that she was ok with the info getting out, and wanted to control rampant speculation about things NOT mentioned in the news.

[edit] Hah! Simultaneous posts!
 
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Barry, so Jan Crittenden, Product Manager of DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100 @ Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems is not valid or relevant and she's just Rumor-mongering??
 
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I agree, Nate. I think that Panasonic is following a smart strategy for new product announcement here. A company should pre-announce a product when it won't undercut any of the company's current products and might cut into their competitors' sales by causing consumer doubt. Today's announcement is a perfect example of this: saying that there is an under $10K DVCPROHD 24P camera will cause doubt in the minds of folks considering the FX1 and cause some of them to wait for the Panasonic.

On the other hand, a company shouldn't pre-announce a product that will be competitive with a current offering. That's why the DVX100A was not pre-announced. Had Panasonic pre-announced the DVX-100A, the DVX100's sales would have plummeted as folks waited for the latest and greatest.
 
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i can't wait for it to come out. I hope its true. I will buy the panny in a heart beat.
 
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[quote author=ShannonRawls link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=0#9 date=02/11/05 at 21:45:05]Barry,  so Jan Crittenden, Product Manager of DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100 @ Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems is not valid or relevant and she's just Rumor-mongering??[/quote]
Can you point me to a single post she's made on the subject?  Only one I've seen is what Nate referred to on creativecow, which is to confirm everything she's already said before, except to add 24P and DVCPRO50 to the mix.

Jan's not the one rumor-mongering.  People who are writing articles citing an "unnamed source", who weren't there and didn't hear the info, and those who are picking up that story and running with it are the ones who are potentially rumor-mongering.

Don't know what your post was meant to do -- seems like trying to "put me in my place" or something... trust me, I know who Jan is, I've talked with her a lot -- heck, she's a contributing author on the DVX book I wrote!

All I'm trying to do is say that until something official is announced, nothing official has been announced.  There was rampant speculation about the Z1, and whether it'd have an "improved" 24p mode, and true progressive scan, and 48i scanning, and all sorts of stuff like that, that turned out to be entirely false.  So all I'm saying is, until Panasonic says something official, whatever's getting said is *not* official, so if you choose to believe it, that's your choice, but it's not official.

Now, again -- if Jan has confirmed anything that I don't know about, or any other Panasonic representative has officially confirmed something, please enlighten me.  As far as I know, the official comment from Jan has been "24p, P2, and DVCPRO-HD/DVCPRO-50/miniDV recording, all priced competitive with the Sony".  No mention of the price being $10,000, or what may or may not be included in whatever price is actually set... heck, $4,000 is "under $10,000", so what does that mean? I also saw no mention from her of a tape drive or not a tape drive, no mention of what will get recorded on that tape drive if there is one, no mention of CCD size, form factor, number of CCD's, or timeframe of release, or anything else like that.

Unless I missed the post -- I've only seen the one comment, on creativecow.  Nate, you mentioned a second posting by her?
 
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But it was based on a presentation by real Panasonic people, and info was confirmed publicly by a Panasonic person who would know, and moreover, somebody who has the authority to confirm such a thing publicly.

Jan's no dummy. The format wars are being fought right here, on the internet. Controlled release of information, and more importantly, expectation management is how it's done.

I don't think there were enough details given in the mentioned posts to have any reason to doubt the info. In fact, really, all I gleaned from it all was that yes, Panasonic has an answer to the recent hoo-yah going on (which I knew already from DV Expo), it will be DVCPRO HD, and it will be less than $10K.

What's to doubt? It came straight from the source.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=0#12 date=02/11/05 at 22:12:09]
Can you point me to a single post she's made on the subject?  Only one I've seen is what Nate referred to on creativecow.[/quote]

OK, ummmmm (rubbing my chin)... you just pointed your-own-self to one Barry.  Why you askin' me to??


[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1108172525;start=0#12 date=02/11/05 at 22:12:09]
Don't know what your post was meant to do -- seems like trying to "put me in my place" or something... trust me, I know who Jan is, I've talked with her a lot -- heck, she's a contributing author on the DVX book I wrote![/quote]

Who in the Heck are you talking to like that Mr. Barry Green??  Do you know who you're dealing with here at DVXUser???

I AM A CERTIFIED "BRONZE" MEMBER HOT DAMMIT!! Look to the left and check my record!  Show some respect!!!

*smile*

relax dude.  you sound like you need a break.  it's just the internet Barry.  

the WWW

- ShannonRawls.com
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Dude, work with me: I said (or at least clearly meant) OTHER than that post, because that post obviously doesn't confirm anything other than what I already mentioned.

But hey, Shannon, no problem -- I just thought it came across as somewhat confrontational.  If that wasn't your intention, then I totally overreacted and I apologize.

Nate, I'm still asking -- what was confirmed?  Steve went on and on about all sorts of speculation -- whether it'd have 1/3" CCD's, whether it'd use pixel shift, all sorts of stuff that apparently *wasn't* covered in the presentation.  He said it'd be a palmcorder -- does that mean something like a Sony TRV9?  Jan sure didn't confirm that, or any of that other stuff he said.  All Jan said was "24P, DVCPROHD/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO25", and that there would be some sort of $10,000 package.  She nearly went so far as to say that he was making stuff up.    She didn't say anything about release date, or other features or anything.

Look, it may turn out that everything Steve said is going to happen.  Or it may turn out that there's a lot of "fill-in-the-blank" speculation going on there.

Jan didn't deny anything, that's true.  But is that the same as confirming?  I don't think so.  If she were to play that game, it wouldn't be long before a crafty debater painted her into a corner.  So she takes the diplomatic way out, and denies nothing, and confirms nothing.  I mean, really, what did we learn from her post, that she hadn't already confirmed for us (except that it *will* be 24P, and that in addition to DVCPRO-HD and DVCPRO/25, it'll also support DVCPRO/50)?

I guess I'm being too picky (but those who have read my posts know that I like to stick to specifics, verifiable and testable, etc).  And the only specifics I can glean are that a) there was a presentation made, and b) Jan confirmed that the people there were told that there would be a DVCPROHD/50/25 camera that uses P2 and 24p.  If you want to read between the lines, Jan's almost saying that the $10,000 price would *not* be for just the camera -- look at how she worded it.

I dunno... I'm content to wait for an actual announcement.  Mainly because I've been told here on this board, by Jan herself, that the camera would be "priced competitive with the Z1", and $10,000 ain't priced competitive with the Z1.  That's priced competitive with the DSR390 maybe, but not the Z1.  So I am going on record as doubting that part.

But, we're halfway through February already, so it'll only be another six or eight weeks of guessing.  That time'll fly by.
 
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My feeling is that Panny saying "under 10k" and JVC saying "under 20k" is an old marketing practice. Start high, and come in much lower with the real price. Creates demand and excitement when the product is announced. They do it with automobiles all the time.

So you say 10k, you hit them with 4995.00 (gotta stay close to the Sony) and voila! A gasp from the crowd...

This is kewl, man!!
 
Re: Out with the DVx.....in with the HDx (smile)

Jan has said they will not be discontinuing the dvx...so maybe they'll slap 16x9 in there to keep it going for a while....the aj-hdx users will always need doorstops...






juuuuust kidding  8)
 
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