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Just wondering. I just like you are waiting for the new Panasonic. But does it have any competition? Say, if I would buy a HD camera today or if their´s another cool HD camera to come?

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Monk
 
Nothing currently announced supports 1080/24p. There's a possibility that Canon may announce something at their expo two weeks from now; other than that, I doubt we'll see any new announcements. IBC is in a couple of weeks and should show the unveiling of Sony's XDCAM HD, but it seems likely that any XDCAM-HD product would be $15,000 - $25,000.
 
sure, the JVC HD100 may ultimately turn out to be the better camera. it's taking a beating right now but no footage is available for the hvx.

the JVC is priced comparatively and has some advantages over the HVX.
 
Interchangeable lenses, and the ability to record an hour of footage to tape. Also it can shoot 24P/25P/30P all in the same camera. And it has a mode that lets it shoot 480/60P or 576/50P, neither of which the HVX offers.

Now, on the other hand, the HVX offers 1080/24p and 1080/30p, which deliver 50% more luma and three times as much chroma as the HD100. And it also offers the 720p mode, including some variable frame rates from 4 and 60fps. And all those are at 4:2:2 instead of 4:2:0, with no HD MPEG encoding. And it offers DVCPRO50 recording, at 4:2:2 with very, very mild compression for superb SD imaging. And its batteries should last for five hours, vs. about 30 minutes for the HD100.

But the HD100's a pro-style shoulder-mount camera vs. the HVX's handycam form factor.

So each does things that the other one doesn't.
 
Isn't it fair to say that if you want interchangeable lenses you should move to a higher class of cams (good HD lens is more expensive than the HD100 all together). With the other argumets I agree.
 
Considering that the next cam up is $70,000 for the body only, vs. $5500 for the HD100's body only, it's not really an option for most potential HD100 customers.

Next year there should be a few under-$30,000 bodies (one from JVC, perhaps one from Panasonic, and Sony's XDCAM-HD camera) that will make it a little more practical.

Plus, we still haven't experienced an HD100 using a 16mm movie camera lens. That may prove to be an acceptable solution... or maybe not. We don't know yet.
 
Barry Green, the HD100U has Fujinon T16X5.5BRM Lens included with the body for about $5,500.00.

There's also a ACM-12 ½-in LENS MOUNT CONVERTER for about $799.00.
 
Canon may be "making an announcement."

Personally I wouldn't wait for that though if you need the camera now. If you don't, give it until the end of the year to see how things pan out.

It looks like there are going to be a range of quite different HD cameras all around the $4000-$6000 mark. Pick which one suits you needs and budget. The Pany out-specs the current Sony Z1 and JVC HD100, however you will have to pay for either P2 or intelligent external device in order to record its flavour of HD.

Until the HVX arrives, I would play the wait and see game.
 
khina said:
Barry Green, the HD100U has Fujinon T16X5.5BRM Lens included with the body for about $5,500.00.
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I was quoting retail price. The MSRP for the camera with lens is $6295. The MSRP for the camera without lens is $5495. "Street Price" isn't really even practical to quote right now, because nobody in the US has cameras to sell. I've only heard one report from a US customer getting a camera, and that's Nate Weaver. I think most retailers are getting just one, and keeping it for a store/demo/rental model.
 
Barry_Green said:
I was quoting retail price. The MSRP for the camera with lens is $6295. The MSRP for the camera without lens is $5495. "Street Price" isn't really even practical to quote right now, because nobody in the US has cameras to sell. I've only heard one report from a US customer getting a camera, and that's Nate Weaver. I think most retailers are getting just one, and keeping it for a store/demo/rental model.
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sorry I am wrong Barry, but I had called those BH photo guys and they gave me that price with the Lens included. If that's the case then it's $500 less than the HVX, and boy it has an interchangeable lens. :) I'm starting to fall in love with the JVC for some reasons.
 
Neither camera is shipping to US customers yet, so "street price" isn't even set yet. We don't know what the real price of the HVX will be; right now some people are advertising $5795, and $5495 for the HD100. But until they're actually on the market, those prices aren't really valid.
 
P2 over hard drives

P2 over hard drives

When I first heard about P2 I thought "GREAT"

then I heard the cost :(

now I'm seing all these portable hard drives that mount on the camera for around 1200 to 2400 and I think "that makes a lot more sense and cheaper than P2 cards"

so tell me, techno gurus, which will be better?

I'm considering getting the Focus FS-4pro which only cost around 1400 and holds about 6hrs of HD.

it's really looking to me like these DTE units are the future - good buy take stock! :undecided
 
Icarus2005 said:
so tell me, techno gurus, which will be better?
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Better? P2 is substantially better than a hard disk in every quantifiable way except two: cost per gigabyte, and maximum size. P2 cards are dramatically faster, quieter, more reliable, crash-proof, dust-proof, moisture-proof, shock-proof, heat-proof, humidity-proof... they're just way superior in every way.

Hard disks are cheaper and bigger, that's true. But they're not comparable.

Witness the new iPod Nano -- they've ditched the hard disk and gone with solid-state recording. Solid state is the bomb.

With the HVX though, we won't really have to choose one or the other -- we should be able to have both.

I'm considering getting the Focus FS-4pro which only cost around 1400 and holds about 6hrs of HD.
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Depends on the type of HD. 6 hours means HDV, not DVCPRO-HD. I believe the FS-4 Pro has a maximum capacity of 80 gigs, which means 80 minutes of DVCPRO-HD. And when you're pricing out that FS-4, consider that to make it HDV-compatible it's a $299 upgrade.

FireStore FS-4's a nice solution, certainly a lower-budget solution than a P2 card (but then again, it should be pointed out, a Dodge Neon is a lower-budget solution than a BMW 735... they serve a similar job but they're not the same).

Frankly I'm hoping the FireStore product for the HVX *isn't* an FS-4 style device... I really hope they ditch the fixed-drive concept and instead produce something that uses interchangeable hard disks. Even if they limit us to a specific type and brand and size of notebook hard disk, that would be a much, much, much superior solution, for the HVX, than a fixed-drive FS-4 style product.

it's really looking to me like these DTE units are the future - good buy take stock! :undecided
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Absolutely these are the future, and future products like them are inevitable. I've been saying it for a while -- tape is DEAD. It may not want to go on the cart, but it's dead all the same... direct-to-disk and direct-to-solid-state is simply too superior to bother putting up with the restrictions of tape. Disk is better than tape, but it's an intermediary step on the way to the ultimate, solid-state recording. It happens in every industry: look at computers (first they used cassette tape, then floppy disk, now solid state with jumpdrives; even solid-state "hard disks" are starting to appear); look at portable audio players (cassette tape, replaced by ipod hard disk, now being replaced by solid-state-based ipod nano); look at professional audio recording (nagra tape and DAT tape have been replaced by hard disk recorders, and now solid state)... it's the inevitable march of technology. Tape is always first, and it always gets ditched in favor of some type of disc recording, which will get replaced by solid state...

It's already happening. If you want to record DVCPRO-HD, it's actually *cheaper* to record it on hard disks than it is to use tape!
 
Barry,
Crash-proof? Crash proof? I understand what you are saying but that is a bold statement. I'm sure that P2 is a great product but I have had bad memory sticks, bad Compact Flash cards and Bad SD cards. They all worked at the beginning and ultimately went bad for some reason. There are always going to be a few defective parts in any product. So I hesitate a little when I hear crash-proof.

Not being a jerk but just pointing out that nothing is100% crash proof.
 
"Crash-proof" was in reference to a hard-disk crash. Sure it remains to be seen just how reliable a P2 card is (they've only been out for about a year, so not a whole lot of history), but it's been designed for reliability as job 1. Hard disks aren't.
 
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