Mitch Gross
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Odyssey7 & Odyssey7Q Status Update
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Mitch Gross
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Not really sure. You can check out list of dealers on our website and contact them directly. If they don't get them one week they might get them the next. And I can't say who has them allocated for clients already, so you really need to talk to the dealers directly.
I put up a thread requesting 4k raw on Sony's forum, if anyone wants to join the chorus:
http://community.sony.com/t5/FS700/...dyssey-7Q-with-the-FS700-R/m-p/227203#U227203
http://community.sony.com/t5/FS700/...dyssey-7Q-with-the-FS700-R/m-p/227203#U227203
Hi Mitch
Thank you for all the Info on the 7Q. I have a question regarding an external monitor like my alphatron. I've just received my upgraded FS700 from prime support and I'm now just waiting for my pre ordered 7Q. I was fiddling around with the 4/2K raw option in the camera, but when the output was switch to raw, when of course there was no signal on my alphatron. Is it possible to connect a second hd monitor or EVF to the 7Q and while recording 2/4K on the 7Q, and monitor the signal in HD 1920x1080? Also how is the exact setup on the FS700 to output the 4K signal to the 7Q?
Thank you for your time
Rasmus (Denmark)
Thank you for all the Info on the 7Q. I have a question regarding an external monitor like my alphatron. I've just received my upgraded FS700 from prime support and I'm now just waiting for my pre ordered 7Q. I was fiddling around with the 4/2K raw option in the camera, but when the output was switch to raw, when of course there was no signal on my alphatron. Is it possible to connect a second hd monitor or EVF to the 7Q and while recording 2/4K on the 7Q, and monitor the signal in HD 1920x1080? Also how is the exact setup on the FS700 to output the 4K signal to the 7Q?
Thank you for your time
Rasmus (Denmark)
Texas Media Systems has the Odyssey 7Q on order with Convergent Design.
You can pre-order on the link below and email us the Texas Film & TV Sales Tax Exemption Form later.
We don't run your credit card until we have a unit to ship.
http://shop.texasmediasystems.com/Convergent-Design-Odyssey7Q-Monitor-Recorder-4K-Ready_p_5373.html
You can pre-order on the link below and email us the Texas Film & TV Sales Tax Exemption Form later.
We don't run your credit card until we have a unit to ship.
http://shop.texasmediasystems.com/Convergent-Design-Odyssey7Q-Monitor-Recorder-4K-Ready_p_5373.html
Mitch Gross
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The Odyssey7Q currently can record 2K RAW from the FS700, not 4K. This is per our agreement with Sony. One must purchase the FS700 record option off our website in order to activate it in the Odyssey7Q. When set to record FS700 2K RAW, the Odyssey7Q turns the data into 1920x1080 video for our OLED display and for HD-SDI and HDMI output.
Set the FS700 to output 2K RAW, Picture Profile to S-Log2.
Set Odyssey7Q to Sony FS700 in.
Switch on LUT to monitor S-Log2 in REC709 color space (normalized).
Plug your Alphatron into one of the Odyssey7Q SDI Outs or the HDMI Out.
The precise settings are in our manual and an FS700-specific Odyssey7Q Quick Start Guide, both soon to be on our website.
Mitch Gross
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Odyssey7Q Function Schedule Roadmap
Odyssey7Q Function Schedule Roadmap
This is by no means a comprehensive list. There are many other functions which will be coming online in the various updates. Some we have not noted because we don't know when they will be ready, some because they are rather arcane, and some because we don't want to give the competition a heads-up.
Odyssey7Q Firmware Release Schedule
Initial Release (Oct 31, 2013)
· Monitor Functions: Waveform (Luma and RGB Parade), Zebras, Histogram, False Color, Focus Assist, Zoom (1:1, 2:1), Frame Guides.
· SDI In/Out, HDMI In/Out, Audio Out (Headphone)
· Color-Space Support: Rec709, DCI-P3
· ARRIRAW, Canon C500 RAW, Sony FS700 RAW LUT support
· Quad-Stream (up to 1080p30) monitoring with selectable full-screen viewing of any single video input.
· Recording/Playback Functions
o Two channel embedded audio In/Out
o SDI Record trigger from ARRI, Canon and Sony cameras
o Uncompressed 1080p 422/444 to 60fps
o Sony FS700 2K RAW up to 240fps*
o Canon C500 4K RAW up to 60fps (single Odyssey7Q)*
o ARRIRAW (16:9 up to 60fps, 4:3 up to 48fps) (pending certification)*
o Options can be purchased now, options may be rented Q1 2014
4[SUP]th[/SUP] Quarter 2013 Update
· Compressed Video (YCC 422 10-bit) support up to 1080p30/60i, 220Mbps
· Audio Level Meters
· Analog Audio Input, Headphone volume adjust
· Mix and match of RAW and compressed on same SSD drive
· Vectorscope
· User programmable ASC CDL LUT support
· Time-Lapse support
· Enhanced Zoom: touchscreen control of zoom window
· Second Zebra level
· Improved menu system (one level deep)
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Quarter 2014 Updates
· Dual stream recording and playback, up to 1080p30*
· Quad-stream recording and playback, up to 1080p30*
· Compressed video support up to 1080p 60fps (YCC 422 10-bit)
· Compressed 1080p 444 recording and playback, up to 60fps
· Compressed video support for FS700 up to 1080p60 (YCC 422 10-bit), derived from 4K RAW (included at no extra charge to FS700 upgrade).
· Compressed 4K recording and playback, up to 30fps
· 3:2, 2:2 pulldown removal
· Pre-Record Buffer (compressed mode only)
· Log monitoring (waveform and zebras)
· SSD dual master recording (create two identical SSD masters)
· Sony F55, Red file naming support
· Enhanced playback control, pause, FF, rewind, cue in/out, mark take: reject, good, better, best.
· 8-Channel audio I/O support
* = Extra Cost options, available via www.convergent-design.com
Odyssey7Q Function Schedule Roadmap
This is by no means a comprehensive list. There are many other functions which will be coming online in the various updates. Some we have not noted because we don't know when they will be ready, some because they are rather arcane, and some because we don't want to give the competition a heads-up.
Odyssey7Q Firmware Release Schedule
Initial Release (Oct 31, 2013)
· Monitor Functions: Waveform (Luma and RGB Parade), Zebras, Histogram, False Color, Focus Assist, Zoom (1:1, 2:1), Frame Guides.
· SDI In/Out, HDMI In/Out, Audio Out (Headphone)
· Color-Space Support: Rec709, DCI-P3
· ARRIRAW, Canon C500 RAW, Sony FS700 RAW LUT support
· Quad-Stream (up to 1080p30) monitoring with selectable full-screen viewing of any single video input.
· Recording/Playback Functions
o Two channel embedded audio In/Out
o SDI Record trigger from ARRI, Canon and Sony cameras
o Uncompressed 1080p 422/444 to 60fps
o Sony FS700 2K RAW up to 240fps*
o Canon C500 4K RAW up to 60fps (single Odyssey7Q)*
o ARRIRAW (16:9 up to 60fps, 4:3 up to 48fps) (pending certification)*
o Options can be purchased now, options may be rented Q1 2014
4[SUP]th[/SUP] Quarter 2013 Update
· Compressed Video (YCC 422 10-bit) support up to 1080p30/60i, 220Mbps
· Audio Level Meters
· Analog Audio Input, Headphone volume adjust
· Mix and match of RAW and compressed on same SSD drive
· Vectorscope
· User programmable ASC CDL LUT support
· Time-Lapse support
· Enhanced Zoom: touchscreen control of zoom window
· Second Zebra level
· Improved menu system (one level deep)
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Quarter 2014 Updates
· Dual stream recording and playback, up to 1080p30*
· Quad-stream recording and playback, up to 1080p30*
· Compressed video support up to 1080p 60fps (YCC 422 10-bit)
· Compressed 1080p 444 recording and playback, up to 60fps
· Compressed video support for FS700 up to 1080p60 (YCC 422 10-bit), derived from 4K RAW (included at no extra charge to FS700 upgrade).
· Compressed 4K recording and playback, up to 30fps
· 3:2, 2:2 pulldown removal
· Pre-Record Buffer (compressed mode only)
· Log monitoring (waveform and zebras)
· SSD dual master recording (create two identical SSD masters)
· Sony F55, Red file naming support
· Enhanced playback control, pause, FF, rewind, cue in/out, mark take: reject, good, better, best.
· 8-Channel audio I/O support
* = Extra Cost options, available via www.convergent-design.com
Thanks Mitch, very nice and professional of you to fulfill your promise.
Mitch Gross
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I believe the official schedule on that one is "absolutely as fast as we can." We are firing on all burners but for certain functions one must complete particular other benchmark functions first. So it's hard to put a timeline on it. Too many variables.
Colinelves
Well-known member
so no 4K at all from the FS700, not even CNG, until Jan 2014 at the earliest, possibly not until April?! That sucks, I thought you guys had 4K working already. Haven't you already posted some footage?
sunnyjimfilms
Well-known member
Yes Mitch, cheers for all the info. One question - when do you think we'll actually see the HD derived from the 4K? This and some form of 4K (ideally raw in the near future, licensing agreements permitting) is my main requirement. Sexy as it is, limited use (for me) until then.
paulcurtis
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I'm very much looking forward to the monitor and all that functionality, it looks like such an awesome piece of kit that will last me a while. You know sometimes you just have kit thats done 'right' - dedolights for example! Hopefully I'm fair high in the waiting lists here as i ordered it back in June i think!
I have to say i'm a little disappointed with the 4K support or lack of, it doesn't appear on the roadmap til next year, potentially 6 months away? Is that right or will there be some uncompressed 4K as originally proposed prior to that? I would use 4K day one, whether it's compressed or uncompressed.
IMHO It's only the 4K support of interest to most 700 users (whether it's recorded as 4K or down sampled), it sorts out aliasing issues, 1080 scaling quality and gives the full quality of the sensor. Unless someone can convince me otherwise (or i see footage to the contrary) the 2K RAW on the 700/F5/F55 simply isn't good enough for everyday production (unless you're a shallow DOF demon!) and that's because of the way it comes off the sensor, not the way it's being recorded.
Day one i get a really nice monitoring solution but no real benefit over a shuttle recording wise.
I don't know whether there's an internal list of priorities at CD, or whether i'm alone in this, so i'm posting this to demonstrate my belief that the 4K recording is the absolute killer feature here, not 2K RAW. I think when people work with scaled 4K it will open eyes as to what this little cam can do...
just me?
cheers
Paul
I have to say i'm a little disappointed with the 4K support or lack of, it doesn't appear on the roadmap til next year, potentially 6 months away? Is that right or will there be some uncompressed 4K as originally proposed prior to that? I would use 4K day one, whether it's compressed or uncompressed.
IMHO It's only the 4K support of interest to most 700 users (whether it's recorded as 4K or down sampled), it sorts out aliasing issues, 1080 scaling quality and gives the full quality of the sensor. Unless someone can convince me otherwise (or i see footage to the contrary) the 2K RAW on the 700/F5/F55 simply isn't good enough for everyday production (unless you're a shallow DOF demon!) and that's because of the way it comes off the sensor, not the way it's being recorded.
Day one i get a really nice monitoring solution but no real benefit over a shuttle recording wise.
I don't know whether there's an internal list of priorities at CD, or whether i'm alone in this, so i'm posting this to demonstrate my belief that the 4K recording is the absolute killer feature here, not 2K RAW. I think when people work with scaled 4K it will open eyes as to what this little cam can do...
just me?
cheers
Paul
nyvz
Veteran
I dunno, I think 2K looked pretty good from what I saw, even if it's no 4K and it does have an aliasing and noise penalty but for HFR its an easy tradeoff to make. Obviously everyone has different productions and different standards for how much aliasing or noise is too much, though. That said, for non-HFR at 2K, it does seem hard to swallow the extra noise and aliasing coupled with the cumbersome workflow of RAW DNG, but most people won't have to make that trade off since all you have to do is wait 2-5months for 4K and no one even has their 7Q's yet 
Q1 2014 is less than 2months away
Q1 2014 is less than 2months away
paulcurtis
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Q1 2014 is less than 2months away
Or up to 5 months away depending on which part of the quarter
I just find 240fps at 2K not a feature that i would imagine most people would use that much. Whereas better quality 24/25/30p is something that *everyone* would benefit from every day.
Ironically in slow mo, edges and aliasing are even more obvious. To capture the 120fps 4K buffered would be super cool IMHO.
As i've said i'll reserve judgement until i see more footage - but everything i've seen, either from the O7 or the Sony solution has issues when things get sharp. Even the noise is aliased (looking at the two brick samples from CD in 2K and 4K). Some of the footage is shot with quite shallow DOF and that hides a lot.
Dunno, maybe it's just me!
I'm really careful not be to throwing a downer on the O7 which i think is perfect.
cheers
Paul