FS7: Odyssey 7Q+ Question

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Is it possible to send the hdmi out of my fs7 into odyssey and then via the hdmi out (Odyssey) to a wireless video transmitter? Trying to give a live feed to my ac while using the Odysseys bigger monitor on camera.

Tried it last week and it seemed like they didn't want to talk to each other.

Using a Paralinx Triton.
 
Yes you can do this. I don't know what the issue was with getting them to mate. On the Odyssey, in OUTPUT set VIDEO PSF OUT to ON. The device may prefer 1080psf to 1080p.

Edit: Actually, just remembered that there is no HDMI output at certain frame rates as there is no SMPTE standard for such a framerate in HDMI. So depending on what you were shooting there may not be anything coming out of the HDMI OUT port. SDI outputs are always active because there are many more signal standards available in SDI than there are in HDMI.
 
Just remember that HDMI cables are notorious for going bad. Always try multiple cables if you are having problems. That's been the cause 90% of my HJDMI issues. - shocking actually.
 
Thanks for the reply I will check tomorrow. In regards to frame rates it was 23.98 tomorrow I'll be trying a mix of 23.98 and 59.94 theoretically should they work.

Thanks for the tip on the cable Lenny, I'll try swapping a cable as well.
 
mtx1117 said:
Is it possible to send the hdmi out of my fs7 into odyssey and then via the hdmi out (Odyssey) to a wireless video transmitter? Trying to give a live feed to my ac while using the Odysseys bigger monitor on camera.

Tried it last week and it seemed like they didn't want to talk to each other.

Using a Paralinx Triton.
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What Mitch said but also remember that you will experience latency as the 7Q will be processing and spitting out. Just like there is slight latency with just plain ole SDI. This may are may not be an issue but doing critical timely focus could be tricky.
 
I tested FS7 and 7Q+ - strange thing with HDMI - I can only record on 7Q at 23.97fps, not 29.97, 59.97
so I switch to "Other" HDMI - and 7Q display "not supported but only record at 23,24 and 30fps - so I switch the camera to output 29/30 and nothing show up. Only 23.97 fps seems to work.

So does the FS7 only put legal 4K at 23.97fps - does any other recorder handle 59.97fps at 4K from FS7 ?
I really hate to spend $2K for a XDCA module that I don't use that often.
 
The HDMI input on the Odyssey7Q+ can accept DCI4K (4096x2160) up to 24p. The HDMI input can accept UHD (3840x2160) up to 30p.

The Odyssey7Q+ can accept DCI4K & UHD up to 60p over Multi-Link SDI but the FS7 does not output in this way. The AJA Ha5-4K converter can be used to transform the FS7 HDMI output into Multi-Link SDI that can then be captured by the Odyssey7Q+. Two SDI links are used to capture up to 30p and four are used to capture up to 60p.
 
Thanks - is there any other device like the Blackmagic HDMI to SDI 4K work with the 7Q+ (its 6G SDI)?
it's $200 cheaper
 
Just an update on my original question. All worked fine on set yesterday. Looks like it was a bad HDMI cable (Thanks Lenny). I ran the FS7 in S&Q Mode recording in 4k60, 4K24, and 1080P at 180 and the odyssey was a champ sending the signal down!

Thanks again for the support and suggestions!
 
mtx1117 said:
Just an update on my original question. All worked fine on set yesterday. Looks like it was a bad HDMI cable (Thanks Lenny). I ran the FS7 in S&Q Mode recording in 4k60, 4K24, and 1080P at 180 and the odyssey was a champ sending the signal down!

Thanks again for the support and suggestions!
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About 80% of the support calls we get are solved by the user replacing the HDMI or SDI cable.
 
Does the 7Q+ automatically detect multiple SDI (re using AJA) - and one would configure FS7 on the 7Q+ ?
 
jpham said:
Does the 7Q+ automatically detect multiple SDI (re using AJA) - and one would configure FS7 on the 7Q+ ?
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If you're using the AJA Ha5-4K in conjunction with an FS7 and an Odyssey7Q+ (or the original Odyssey7Q), you need to:
- Set the FS7 to output 4K over HDMI
- Set the AJA Ha5-4K to output in 2SI mode
- Set the Odyssey7Q+ to be recording 4K video

The Odyssey7Q+ will the auto detect the signal coming in over SDI. For frame rates of 24-25-30p a Dual-Link (two cables) connection is required to SDI A In and SDI B In. For frame rates of 50-60p a Quad-Link (four cables) connection is required to SDI A In, SDI B In, SDI A IO and SDI B IO. No change in configuration in the Odyssey7Q+ menus.

If you go this route and have any issues configuring your kit, the Convergent Design Tech Support team can assist you. We have this gear in house.
 
Thanks - I'm still thinking about this configuration. I start to do a lot of 60fps 4K/4160 and just wondering about the PRORES 4K quality vs XAVC 4K - does the FS7 output 10bits 422 over HDMI or just 8 bits 420 at 60fps ? using the internal it is just 20 mins per 128GB at that rate (XAVC-I)
 
On the FS7, above 4K30p I believe the color sampling is reduced to 4:2:0. Not sure about 10-bit v 8-bit, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was reduced as well. It's a lot of data to push through. On the other hand, if you were to use RAW then this is a full 12-bit linear file throughout all frame rates in 4K.
 
I like to see PRORES in 12 bit - rather than 10 bit currently. Maybe Convergent should make a nonstandard 12bit PRORES
 
Apple ProRes is available in 12-bit only as a 4:4:4 signal. Any ProRes device must be certified by Apple, and they maintain that we hit various benchmarks so that the recorded signal will work throughout all programs and systems that work with the files.

So no nonstandard formats from us or anyone else, and that is to your benefit.
 
Any chance the O7Q+ supports F5 or F55 via SDI also? I read on the web at Convergent web site "The F55 can, however, output 4K uncompressed over it's four HD-SDI links, and we will support this in a future firmware release."

so wondering mind want to know if it is already available?
 
Can you please PM me with a link to where you found that? I need to update that on the website.

We support the F5 and F55 today, and we have done so for some time. For all F55 camera as well as F5 cameras with the upgrade, over SDI they can output Dual-Link UHD or DCI4K up to 30p or use Quad-Link to output UHD or DCI4K up to 60p. We can record this in Apple ProRes (HQ/422/LT/Proxy). This is not RAW, but instead straight video. If the camera is set to output in Slog2 or Slog3, the Odyssey7Q+ can apply a LUT using our presets to convert it to REC709A, or you could load a custom LUT into Odyssey for monitoring. When the camera is set to output video in 4K/UHD there is no HD output available (even when only using Dual-Link), so the three available HD outputs on the Odyssey (two SDI, one HDMI) can be used to connect to other monitors on set.
 
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