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Agreed. it took me a second to appreciate it, but actually really think they handled it well.
FS7: NO Sony Fs7!!
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Agreed. it took me a second to appreciate it, but actually really think they handled it well.
NorBro
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Fun fact: Although many know Dave's from wrestling, many probably don't know that Triple H who's married to Stephanie (Vince's daughter) took Dave under his wing so to speak when they created the group Evolution (which also included Ric Flair and Randy Orton).
[Triple H also retired DB at 2019's Wrestlemania (per DB's request as his final match).]
Megastar success from Evolution and a solo run after, and the rest is history...
Batista (that's how he spelled it in WWE) was twice as big...epic moment here, just watch the first 20 seconds, I already linked at the correct time:
[Triple H also retired DB at 2019's Wrestlemania (per DB's request as his final match).]
Megastar success from Evolution and a solo run after, and the rest is history...
Batista (that's how he spelled it in WWE) was twice as big...epic moment here, just watch the first 20 seconds, I already linked at the correct time:
ahalpert
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Let's see how many more times we can get Ben to say he's leaving in disgust
JPNola
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I think the answer why they are not using AF is that they want: manual iris ring...with significant travel, faster than f/2.8, minimal to no breathing, minimal distortion, excellent flare control, prime, available in PL.
What current AF lens ticks all those boxes?
Last night I asked an Op on a film being DP’d by Shane Hurlbut, the Op’s reply was that AF doesn’t work for shots where you want to pick someone up in the background. Or at least that was the start of his reply, our convo was cut short by his having to get back on the wheels. They were using Summiluxes. ( and a lot of remote head, liked by Ops and actors because there is no person anywhere near the eyeline when using remote operation. )
morgan_moore
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Off my second shoot with the C200. The AF is pretty blunt and didnt work on some ECU barrista shots with steam and cups moving about. But for the 'meat' of the shoot 70-200f4 and af was completely free of effort. (and I have not read the manual, dug the menu, or engaged face recognition)
Of course 'noisy C200 files' is completely down to user error. Files are completely clean.
Edit.. another thing about AF vs self focus.. one can keep different more stable holds on the camera as one does not need a hand on the lens.
Of course 'noisy C200 files' is completely down to user error. Files are completely clean.
Edit.. another thing about AF vs self focus.. one can keep different more stable holds on the camera as one does not need a hand on the lens.
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Thing is now actually you can pick a face in the background , with Sony anyway .. or manually get it close enough for eye detect to latch on.. This sort of sums it up .. and I guess its obvious, feature film people dont actually know how far forwards its all got in the last ,even 3 years ..Im not from feature films but I was totally opposed to AF for all the same reasons .. but Im totally converted , no one is saying its used 100% of the time , obviously not .. but it will save time on maybe 50% of shots or more .. anything that saves money will be adapted .. anything that will sell new product ..camera,s , sensors , lenses manufactures will love .. its still early day .. look how all the feature film people , except Roger Deakins hated digital , it can never compare to film , cost of film doesn't matter to big productions ..blah blah .. well we all know what happened in a very short time frame .. it is cheaper and was adopted in fast order ..and does look at very least , as good
Ben Scott
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I'd disagree with that quite strongly. Every interview you ever read with any technical crew always go on about the importance of being able to test anything and everything. 'Feature film people' test iterations of new gear all the time whenever they are able to and they certainly will have access to gear and emerging tech way faster than us mere mortals. Listening to Greg Frasier's interview with Deakins this morning on a run and he spoke about how the start date for shooting on Rogue One being pushed back gave enough time for Digital Sputnik to get their LEDs to him and he could test them and brought them straight onto being a major part of the film.
But if you are asking an artist to change their tried and trusted paintbrush and embrace your new paintbrush you are going to have to ensure there are no barriers to their creation of art and that there is a significant time/results/workflow benefit to the new one. Re focus pulling and AF it simply isn't where it needs to be 'yet' for most day to day stuff to embrace it over the existing paintbrush.
A few maybe , as I said Deakins himself was very open to digital and new ways .. but definitely a minority in his age group , and that post just backed that up .. AF is very able to pick out a face in the BG , even now I can do that with an Fx9 , its a totally incorrect statement by someone who doesn't know about AF these days , and sure its nt surprising because they are not using it .. . there was a very strong push back from film DOP,s against digital .. Fraiser is a young guy and not entrenched in his ways .. AF is most definitely there for day to day stuff , even more so in the controlled narrative field .. at least 50% of any shots in a conventional narrative tv/ film could use AF .. every close up single for a start .. even fast car hurtling to or from camera , every side 2 shot.. have you used the latest Sony hybrid AF .. I think not sir.. your watching the wrestling aren't you ..
JPNola
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A few maybe , as I said Deakins himself was very open to digital and new ways .. but definitely a minority in his age group , and that post just backed that up .. AF is very able to pick out a face in the BG , even now I can do that with an Fx9 , its a totally incorrect statement by someone who doesn't know about AF these days , and sure its nt surprising because they are not using it .. . there was a very strong push back from film DOP,s against digital .. Fraiser is a young guy and not entrenched in his ways .. AF is most definitely there for day to day stuff , even more so in the controlled narrative field .. at least 50% of any shots in a conventional narrative tv/ film could use AF .. every close up single for a start .. even fast car hurtling to or from camera , every side 2 shot.. have you used the latest Sony hybrid AF .. I think not sir.. your watching the wrestling aren't you ..
Upon what do you base your claim that age is a factor in adoption of AF?
morgan_moore
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Simple. The worse your eyes the less you need af.
JPNola
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Not sure if that was error or some attempt at humor.
If I could close this thread to commenting, I would. It has devolved into all kinds of stupid.
edit: I see now that Morgan was replying outside the context of my post. Clearly I meant age being a factor in NON-adoption, as claimed by Donny.
I was asking where he got it from that older Hollywood DP’s are failing to adopt AF as result of their age. I was calling out the pejorative ageism. The gross stereotyping.
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ahalpert
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Well, Brawley said that AF is already being used on big sets via tools like light ranger and cvision driving the focus motor and tracking an object using depth perception. But he said they only use it in shots where, for example, an object or person is coming at the camera quickly. Which is where the tool shines. No need to use it all the time or for easy stuff.
And yes, DPs are probably not going to forego the lenses whose look they desire in favor of something with an internal focus motor, especially when those lenses are poor for manual focus.
And yes, DPs are probably not going to forego the lenses whose look they desire in favor of something with an internal focus motor, especially when those lenses are poor for manual focus.
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And Panavision has already begun to make cine lenses with internal focus motors.
Run&Gun
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I remember when they started that a few years ago. Wasn’t it on some of their new “FF” or “70mm” lenses?