No flip screen on the HVX

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Angrius

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I can't believe Panasonic didn't allow the HVX to be able to flip its image on the viewfinder. According the folks at Cinemek this isn't possible and using the old "magnet trick" doesn't work either. That really sucks if you were planning on using a 35mm adapter with this camcorder. The only solution is to wait for an external HD monitor and slap it on the top. What is the deal. I'd like to hear Jans comments on this and if this is in fact the case. Does anybody else have a viable solution other than buying another monitor? Thanks.
 
If true, yes, oh the pain. I just have to rethink my approach. I was hedging the bet on being able to magnet trick it when needed. However, if that's where the shortcoming is, I can't complain too much. The vast majority of users probably don't care about image flip, so that would explain it. I'm still waiting for a marketed on-camera $500 hi-res 800x480 monitor to hit market. It doesn't exist. However this is damn close. I guess I'll bite the bullet.. but oh no.. even if I did decide to shell out the dough, it's been backordered for months, with no reply from Marshall!

http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/vr70p-dp.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=402115&is=REG&addedTroughType=search
 
Flippin lcd

Flippin lcd

with the most recent music video shoot i was on, my flippable lcd monitor was actually a major factor towards getting the shots done correctly, as i had the director standing next to me on my side watching the shooting i was doing on the lcd when we were doing things where we could not use the color monitor we had.

i dont need the monitor for the front, but i do need a monitor for at least the side view...

does this mean the hvx wont flip and and into itself like the dvx?
 
mightywarlock said:
does this mean the hvx wont flip and and into itself like the dvx?
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Of course it does. It flips exactly like the DVX100B does. And if I had a magnet here I'd test it, but I'd wager that it does the same magnet-flip that the DVX does, because I'm 99% certain that it is in fact the same LCD panel that the DVX has.
 
SJUSER said:
For my upcoming Micro 35mm M2/M3 adapter I ordered the original Panasonic TC-7WMS1 18 cm (7") LCD Monitor, 16:9 picture format, Resolution of 336,960 pixels.
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Yes, that has been one of the standard low cost external monitors. But it's resolution pretty low - 384x234 or 480x234.

Bill Porter has researched this to death.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54269

There are a number of threads on DVinfo and RedRockMicro about the newer Hi-Res displays hitting the market. In my opinion, 800x480 in the 7" TFT/LCD display is a must at this point. The Marshall is one of the Pro solutions to employ the higher res display.
 
If the magnet tricked worked on the DVX, then why not on the HVX. Is there some type of new danger to using a magnet. Does is screw with what's happing with the P2 cards or something?
 
Angrius said:
I can't believe Panasonic didn't allow the HVX to be able to flip its image on the viewfinder. According the folks at Cinemek this isn't possible and using the old "magnet trick" doesn't work either. That really sucks if you were planning on using a 35mm adapter with this camcorder. The only solution is to wait for an external HD monitor and slap it on the top. What is the deal. I'd like to hear Jans comments on this and if this is in fact the case. Does anybody else have a viable solution other than buying another monitor? Thanks.
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If you're using a 35 adapter you're gonna want an onboard lcd anyways. It'd be pretty tough without one.
I like this one...
http://www.markertek.com/Product.as...LCDMON&mfg=MARSHALL+ELECTRONICS&search=0&off=
 
Mr. Blonde said:
If you're using a 35 adapter you're gonna want an onboard lcd anyways. It'd be pretty tough without one.
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I was hoping to be able to run and gun without one by doing the magnet trick. This is just for run and gun stuff. Any amount of control in the shoot and I'd definitely want an on-camera or better, monitor solution.

Mr. Blonde said:
I like this one...
http://www.markertek.com/Product.as...LCDMON&mfg=MARSHALL+ELECTRONICS&search=0&off=
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Ah, yeah that's one of the models above the one I've been looking at. Any thoughts on how you'd hook the HVX up to it? S-Video is the obvious one, but what about the Component?


*EDITED ADDITION* I'm assuming the camera can downres from 720 or 1080 to 480i for monitoring, selectable via menu. Anyone know if this is the case?
 
holyzoo said:
I'm assuming the camera can downres from 720 or 1080 to 480i for monitoring, selectable via menu. Anyone know if this is the case?
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Yes, the s-video and composite ports are active and are always downrezzing. And you can configure the component outputs to downrez as well.
 
holyzoo said:
Yes, that has been one of the standard low cost external monitors. But it's resolution pretty low - 384x234 or 480x234.

Bill Porter has researched this to death.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54269

There are a number of threads on DVinfo and RedRockMicro about the newer Hi-Res displays hitting the market. In my opinion, 800x480 in the 7" TFT/LCD display is a must at this point. The Marshall is one of the Pro solutions to employ the higher res display.
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Thanks,

and ERG HDM-EV85 portable 8.4"/21cm HD-LCD 4:3/16:9 Video-Monitor,
1024x768 Pixel is one of the best, flip image, etc. But also costs 3 x more than Panasonic TC-7WMS1.
More at
http://www.erg-ventures.com/products/85/index.htm
 
Barry_Green said:
Of course it does. It flips exactly like the DVX100B does. And if I had a magnet here I'd test it, but I'd wager that it does the same magnet-flip that the DVX does, because I'm 99% certain that it is in fact the same LCD panel that the DVX has.
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Here is what I know from the guys at Cinemek.


No image flip built into this camera this round. I wouldn't be surprised if the next revision has a 180-degree flip such as the Varicam has (no official word yet). As for the magnet trick, I think we might be out of luck with the HVX.

_________________
Jonathan Houser
President
Cinemek Inc.
"The rack is back"


Official word is: No flip feature from panasonic. That's from Jan.

So that's the scoop. Barry why would you not be able to use the magnet? If you are speaking to Jan, can you just double check this. Thanks.
 
I wonder how the images will hold up using these M35 things. I hear people complain about the pro35's image on HD? Can't wait for some test footage.
 
I really wish it flipped feature on its own. I hate playing with magnets especially now that we are using P2, you never know. My dad zapped his PowerBook HD with his iSight camera magnet. I guess there is no chance for a software upgrade down the road?

Does anyone know how effected P2 would be to a magnet?
 
Barry_Green said:
...I'd wager that it does the same magnet-flip that the DVX does, because I'm 99% certain that it is in fact the same LCD panel that the DVX has.
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It may not be the LCD panel that matters, but rather how the image flip is activated. The DVX appears to have (from what I've read) a reed switch that closes when a small magnet moves into position as the panel is rotated. Panasonic may have changed this to a mechanical micro-switch on the HVX. If so, I would imagine the magnet trick wouldn't work.
 
Without a cheap image flip alternative the 35mm adapters seem much less attractive now...

the main selling point of G35 is non tripod/no rod use - but to stack a (however) small monitor on top, will just kills its usablity....
 
Barry_Green said:
...I'd wager that it does the same magnet-flip that the DVX does, because I'm 99% certain that it is in fact the same LCD panel that the DVX has.

Neopics said:
It may not be the LCD panel that matters, but rather how the image flip is activated. The DVX appears to have (from what I've read) a reed switch that closes when a small magnet moves into position as the panel is rotated. Panasonic may have changed this to a mechanical micro-switch on the HVX. If so, I would imagine the magnet trick wouldn't work.
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Two firsts in this post :)

1) Someone correcting Barry on how something in DVX works
2) Panasonic not listening to its customers, and jinxing an useful shortcut, crippling a very handy feature.

:)
 
All peaple need to do is build an aluminum frame and mount the camera upside down inside it and the bottom to the tripod. Or, mount it upside down to a pan and tilt remote head like the Vista or Verizoom. That's what I intend to do. Of course, I'llbe adding a strap for the camera so as to no create to much strain on the housing at the bolt connection.
 
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