Nikon Z9 with internal 8K 60p RAW !

FS-7 is the greatest "plateau" cameras there ever was. And that may ever be. It was announced seven years ago and still remains a capable 4K model. And 4K is still good enough for most purposes. There may be plenty of 6K and 8K units out there but FS-7 is like the old sandals - got some holes in it but will get you from point A to point B at the same time as the new kid on the block.

The problem is figuring out which camera will remain as relevant for as long. 8K looks like a new plateau but the early arrivals - R5, A1 and Z9 - may be a passing fancy in a couple of years time.
 
Plus, the FS7 is a real video camera with basically all the features and I/O you need for ENG. The codecs are considered acceptable for all but the most demanding purposes (and are still in use on newer models). It shoots 4K60p in the same quality as 24p. Any new plateau camera will have to meet all of the above conditions, just at 8K. (And I'm not sure how soon 8K will displace 4K as standard. There are diminishing returns from every additional increase in resolution, so you can more and more afford to cruise at the previous resolution standard)
 
Im going to chime in again on how broken I think nikon is. Nikon is broken and has no place in a profit making photo or video business. Broken.

Maybe im just a dinasour with my mid ninties D600 f4 and D400 2.8 that wont work on these z cameras. But that is $12+g of lenses that work great even on the D6 and they are great lenses and the lowball prices means you need to sell a lot of photos to replace them.

Here is the current 600 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...00mm_f_4e.html
Nikon want me to buy that..? and buy into a system that doesnt even have a camera with ND filters.

Its not going to happen.. you sit down, evaluate your options and go Canon. Its a no brainer in a professional office that swaps from stills and motion to make a living. We are now Canon only end of. And at 50 years old that will be it for the career.

Now if they made a d to z lens adapter things could be a bit different.

I could be interested in the z9 just to hang on the back of my tele lenses because it is an awesome sounding camera and the menu is familiar to me. But without that adapter its over (and I had nikon in the 80s)

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Apologies in advance

"Sonny, why didn't you buy that awesome new Nikon?"

"Because grandpa can't use his vintage lenses on it and that makes me sad"

Jk. But to be sure, as long as canon and sony offer similar products soon, the nikon party will be short-lived. They are coming from behind with structural disadvantages and a much smaller market share
 
The d lenses a far from out of date -great performance even with the current d6

google image some.

At £12k they should not be part of the Instagram arms race but part of the tool set for working pros.
or maybe I’m a moaning grandad

but yep I’m aware of a sour taste at some of the big sports outfits right now.

it breaks a long trodden path for the recent grad getting in via the used market or the pro getting a return on the trade in/up

nothing this bad a fail since canon knobled fd lens users I’m the late 80’s
 
I've always had a difficult time with Nikon ergonomics.

I've owned a few Nikon cameras and they just didn't click for me when working with them (for video).

One thing - as insignificant as it sounds - that eliminates this camera for me is no wheel in the back (which Canon calls the "Quick Control Dial" but I don't like that name because I feel like the others on top of the body are true dials and that's a wheel).

The pad on other Nikon cameras always felt so stiff (obviously don't know how this one feels).

When I was younger, ergonomics weren't even a consideration. And it's such a small detail but I guess some of us become a little stubbornly refined after a while. It's the same thing with Sony color...used to defend them to the death but I just prefer Canon too much these days and just feel like I see a difference the more I watch.
 
I'm actually considering getting an aps-c camera instead of an a7iii. Mostly for the extra reach potential. If it could do 4K with a crop, then even better.

Any ideas when the next a6xxx will be released? It looks like previous models in the lineup were released in 2016 and then 2019.... so maybe next year?
 
ZV-E10 from this year is pretty much a recycled a6400 so it's unclear where they are going with the APS-C line.

But they still have the numbers of a6700 and a6900 left so could do one more hoorah next year before APS-C's likely done.
 
I would even consider the a6600 despite its flaws, but I need something with 4K60p to properly fill the role I have for it
 
Maybe a used S5 with its S35 60p, or Nikon Z6 II.

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On a related note (to this thread), I haven't paid much attention to the R5 since I sold it in August 2020, but recently out of curiosity downloaded the Canon plugin and some 8K RAW footage because I was curious to see if it would import straight into FCP which it wouldn't back in 2020...and it does, and it is so darn good.

I obviously tested it out back then when I had the camera but I had to go through CRD and I didn't have a M1 and it took like 45 minutes to process 5 seconds so I didn't do much thorough looking.

But anyway, the potential of internal RAW in these cameras (or just any kind of really high IQ recording) is unbelievable, and I wonder how Nikon will do.

This could be big for them.
 
I want something that uses the same lenses and batteries as my other Sony cameras, so I just chuck the body in the bag and don't need to do anything else

I'd love to work with RAW, but the bitrates are savage. Media costs add up (although cf-express type B cards are probably a good investment, unlike type A cards...)

but basically there's no way I'm getting anything other than a Sony right now. I was already considering a 3rd mirrorless body. then I started considering aps-C for crop potential on long lenses. I could get a super telephoto zoom, but they're all 4+ lbs and large, therefore difficult to put on a gimbal. an aps-c body with a 4K crop could get my 70-180 to useful places while maintaining a lightweight, tidy set-up with proven autofocus. the body would cost the same as one of the cheaper telephoto zooms anyway. I could kill 2 birds (extra camera, extra reach) with a cheap stone. and ultimately this is an uncommon need for me, so I'm not willing to spend much to solve the problem
 
LIkely so. Which is fine, I can wait. Sony's lineup is pretty embarrassing when you look at the lack of framerates, codecs, features that they only started to add recently. (Even the bloody a7iv doesn't get 4k60p without a crop.)

Looking back at the a7iv now... Interesting that it offers intraframe recording. I imagine that Sony is making boatloads of cash from cornering the market for cfexpress type-a cards. (there is only recently one other competitor). My ****ing cameras won't record S&Q 60/24 intraframe footage @ 600Mbps with a V90 SD card even though I can record 60fps intraframe 600Mbps in a 60p timebase on the same card. You need to use a cfexpress card to get S&Q with those settings. What the ****????

But in theory the a7iv could be a good fit for me. Full-frame when I just need 4k24. 4k60 when I need extra reach. It won't get me to a 2x crop factor, which would be nice. But in theory, it could fill the 2 roles I need for this 3rd camera... And also satisfy any stills shooting needs, not that I've been asked to shoot stills for over a year...
 
The history between the big 3 and their cameras and features would be an interesting documentary.

There was always a problem and no amount of money could help.
 
In term of value, it's an odd choice - either the E-10 for $700 or A7IV for $2,500, that works as an A-cam too. The middle with A7III is too much money for an obsolete technology. And I say A7IV is going to be far more useful in the.long run.
 
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I have no interest in what that poppinjay has to say. YT is full of misinformation. The last straw for me was looking for videos that could tell me if any v90 sd cards were enabled by the a7s3/fx3 to record s&Q all-i 60fps. All those jackrabbits, including Undone, feigned a vacuously limited understanding of how s&Q works and then declared that cfexpress cards are required because of the bitrate of 120fps - totally glossing over the fact that they will record 600Mbps 60p in normal mode on v90 cards! But not 2.5 seconds per second of 240Mbps 24p in 60fps S&Q (ie 600 Mbps). I called Sony today to complain about this. I have no intention of giving in to their extortion and buying their $2.5/GB cfexpress cards when <$1/GB sd cards should work fine

Anyway, I'm sort of leaning towards waiting for the next aps-c release. Seems silly to buy the a7iv and pay FF prices for an (effectively) aps-c camera... meanwhile, if I buy a 100-400 or 200-600 f/5.6-6.3, I don't get an additional camera and I'm not better off in terms of dof or light-gathering than with a crop sensor camera (even using clear image zoom) and my tamron 70-180 f/2.8, which is substantially lighter and doesn't require a tripod collar
 
Canon does the same thing with the R5, but even worse with just regular 4K/60p ALL-I. If Panasonic had a camera that utilized other media they'd do the same thing.
 
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