Nikon RAW Recording Over HDMI is Finally Here...

Saw that, pretty interesting. Wonder if external Prores RAW recording will come to a lot of other mirrorless and DSLR cameras after this and then the S1H?
Generally on the boards, there is a LOT of hate and frustration for the Ninja V as far as it not recording HDMI output correctly, truncating the DR.
I have the Shinobi and am generally satisfied with it but have not used the Ninja V more than once, where I didn't notice this issue.
 
puredrifting said:
Saw that, pretty interesting. Wonder if external Prores RAW recording will come to a lot of other mirrorless and DSLR cameras after this and then the S1H?
Generally on the boards, there is a LOT of hate and frustration for the Ninja V as far as it not recording HDMI output correctly, truncating the DR.
I have the Shinobi and am generally satisfied with it but have not used the Ninja V more than once, where I didn't notice this issue.
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I don't get that frustration as my experience is Ninja V records correctly. What it does truncate is playback. But files are full range.
 
Zengze said:
I don't get that frustration as my experience is Ninja V records correctly. What it does truncate is playback. But files are full range.
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As someone who doesn't own a Ninja V, I find the whole issue vexing. I have heard so many versions of what people think and swear that the Ninja V is or isn't doing,
I don't know what to think. I shoot with the Fujifilm XT-3 and the Ninja V is a popular outboard recorder since the XT-3 records H.265, which needs to be transcoded to
Prores to make it edit friendly, so why not just shoot Prores?

But we've discovered that Fuji decided to make the XT-3 output REC601 color space, not REC709 and when the Ninja V
records the 601 output, it truncates the whites and blacks, resulting in a massive downgrade in DR with blown out whites and ultra crushed blacks. Other claim there
are LUTs out that compensate for this? But for me, I just use internal H.265 and edit with FCP X, which automatically converts everything to Prores anyway so I see
zero need for an external recorder.
 
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The quality looks superb, and it's incredible that we can now get such insane image quality out of such small and cheap options... I just don't get who's going to use it. Most mid-level productions shooting on proper professional cinema cameras can't afford to shoot raw. So how is anything (other than personal projects) shot on little mirrorless cameras going to be able to stretch their costs to accommodate the data?

Personally the stress of relying on such shitty cables and connections for external capture is probably going to keep me clear of it all. But I'd love to know the how and the who of who'll make use of this.

I wonder how long it is until we'll see these cameras able to record the raw video onboard to CFexpress cards? Can't be far off now.
 
Grug said:
The quality looks superb, and it's incredible that we can now get such insane image quality out of such small and cheap options...
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Agreed. It looks beautiful.

I just don't get who's going to use it. Most mid-level productions shooting on proper professional cinema cameras can't afford to shoot raw. So how is anything (other than personal projects) shot on little mirrorless cameras going to be able to stretch their costs to accommodate the data?

Personally the stress of relying on such s*%tty cables and connections for external capture is probably going to keep me clear of it all. But I'd love to know the how and the who of who'll make use of this.
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I assume it won't be professional productions, for the most part. Indie no-budget movies & music videos would be my guess.

I wonder how long it is until we'll see these cameras able to record the raw video onboard to CFexpress cards? Can't be far off now.
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The upcoming Canon 1DX Mark III is said to record internal raw to CFexpress cards. We'll see how that looks once it's out next year.
 
Grug said:
The quality looks superb, and it's incredible that we can now get such insane image quality out of such small and cheap options... I just don't get who's going to use it. Most mid-level productions shooting on proper professional cinema cameras can't afford to shoot raw. So how is anything (other than personal projects) shot on little mirrorless cameras going to be able to stretch their costs to accommodate the data? ...
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Jaime Valles said:
... I assume it won't be professional productions, for the most part. Indie no-budget movies & music videos would be my guess...
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In the "streaming" thread I posted off the LA Times article, there was a quick blurb about 271 streaming services already operating across the globe. Some are, obviously, extremely well funded; others are on a very low budget. And others are everything in between. The sheer volume of footage that is being generated would surpass all the cat videos combined.

As to the Z6 class cameras and Raw, I can see not only the independent low/no budget features and music videos but the higher quality corporate, popular YouTube channels, weddings, travel, landscape, architecture/real estate, product reviews, etc.

And insofar as the storage media go, costs there are plummeting too.
 
Did i just fall in love with Nikon again?

I wanna see a proper test and ideally some footage.

Also the practicalities - the loss of onboard screen (and evf?) might mean laggy monitoring - or some other gotcha.
 
Grug said:
I guess if your camera package costs nothing, there’s more money to pay for storage.
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I agree. Would hate to use this rig professionally.

Also, just a touch pricey for personal use. so, kind of still in between on this one. A couple of the shots in that sample video are very pretty.
 
morgan_moore said:
Did i just fall in love with Nikon again?

I wanna see a proper test and ideally some footage.

Also the practicalities - the loss of onboard screen (and evf?) might mean laggy monitoring - or some other gotcha.
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Yeah, back in the 1DC days, some of those work arounds were worth it to get the iq. Nowadays, less excited about lag and frankenrigging.

The 1DC was already recording some nice high bitrate files internally. Tbh, i don’t really need raw, if i have some great 10 or 12bit low compression internally recorded video, i’d be more into that than the external atmos thing.
 
I like the z6, I like AF, I have some nikkors (10 though to 600)
24-120 is a great one lens option
I also like my shogun - proper WFM, easy playback, luts

So all the bits look tempting.

There is a good chance it could be better picture than my FS7 and lighter but the 'dream' is falling apart..

Franken rig.
No ND
No XLR (a ctually there is!... on the atomos)
No HFR (there is 120 on the camera. with audio)

Maybe the D6 will have a cecent codec onboard.
 
I can see an advantage for this for someone like me that shoots stills and video. As nice as a cinema camera is for raw video it doesn’t really shoot stills. That’s where the Nikons come in. Great stills and now great raw video as well.

Plus there is the whole FCPX factor and since I prefer to edit with FCPX it makes sense to have ProRes raw over BRAW.

What I’m not crazy about is investing in Nikon glass since EF is more of an unofficial lens standard on cinema cameras. EF just seems like the better logical choice for the future. Plus the whole having to use an external recorder is a more complicated workflow. It all comes down to a hassle during the shoot or a hassle in post having to find a way to get BRAW into FCPX.

I’m not opposed to using external recorders and use them for ProRes all the time but I know it’s a complication for many other users. The P4K method of using a simple external SSD is vastly more comfortable way to shoot.

If I was a Nikon photographer and just happened to have this camera and also actually have a use for raw video on a professional level this may make sense but that’s a lot of ifs. I just don’t see film makers investing $3k into a raw camera setup when they can get the P4K for $1,300 and add a small 512GB SSD for $80 to at least get started shooting raw.
 
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