Nikon Head: "highly probable" with full-HD in Nikon SLR

Unlike Sony or Canon, Nikon don't risk damaging sales of their pro-video products by introducing a pro-quality, full frame, 1080P DSLR.

Nikon are in a great position to release disruptive products and to claw back market-share from the competition. I'm guessing that they are working diligently to achieve this. One problem I foresee is their reliance on Sony to manufacture their sensors. If they can overcome this then Nikon could blaze the VDSLR trail in years to come.

A tempting range of motorized zoom lenses would help. Skip archaic XLR's to input sound & integrate high-speed, multi-function Wi-Fi networking to connect to a new breed of digital wireless mics, monitors, camera control units etc... Use USB 3 with "Light Peak" & separate break-out boxes to handle all hard-wired in/outs.

With this nascent technology Nikon could produce game-changing, imaging products in a small form-factor.
 
hehe mjpeg better than u think, and better than h.264. Just needs higher bitrate....
 
stip said:
Making their own sensors is actually a goal of Nikon as Tetsuro Goto stated:


Hi Stip,

Over recent years Sony has made a massive investment in the design and manufacture of CMOS sensors. This gives them a huge advantage. Especially for exotic examples like full-frame sensors.

Even if Nikon have the resources (which I doubt) to design and manufacture their own full-frame sensors it would take years to catch-up to Sony. Please correct me if I'm wrong but, sadly, I can't see it happening.
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alloneword said:
Hi Stip,

Over recent years Sony has made a massive investment in the design and manufacture of CMOS sensors. This gives them a huge advantage. Especially for exotic examples like full-frame sensors.

Even if Nikon have the resources (which I doubt) to design and manufacture their own full-frame sensors it would take years to catch-up to Sony. Please correct me if I'm wrong but, sadly, I can't see it happening.
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That's true, they can't manufacture them by now but they do design sensors already.
 
alloneword said:
Hi Stip,

Over recent years Sony has made a massive investment in the design and manufacture of CMOS sensors. This gives them a huge advantage. Especially for exotic examples like full-frame sensors.

Even if Nikon have the resources (which I doubt) to design and manufacture their own full-frame sensors it would take years to catch-up to Sony. Please correct me if I'm wrong but, sadly, I can't see it happening.
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Highly probably there will be Full HD... well yeah... but what about variable frame rates or better codec? Meh...

The Nikon D3s sensor is the best so far. Amazingly sensitive, full frame and Nikon's own design...
 
Hi BandanaDan,

With their resources & knowhow Sony are probably best-placed to make the ultimate VDSLR but they haven't. They probably won't either (until someone else gets there first) because they don't want to damage their lucrative pro-video department.

A highly-specced Nikon VDSLR could have a similar effect on those sales. Since Nikon rely on Sony to manufacture their sensors I can't see Sony allowing that to happen.

Whatever Sony earns from selling sensors to Nikon could (no-one knows) be dwarfed by subsequent losses to their own pro-video revenue. The popularity of the VDSLR has taken many by surprise. Sony will err on the side of caution until the market settles.

Nikon is the biggest threat in this sector. Why would Sony help a, potentially dangerous, competitor. Nikon need a contingency plan in case Sony turn hostile. If it were possible Sony might consider buying Nikon. It would neutralize the threat and they could use Nikon's talent/heritage. I'm totally guessing but it might be a good time to invest in Nikon shares?
 
I really doubt Sony would care enough to halt manufacturing Nikon sensors. Otherwise, why didn't they so already when Sony took over Minolta? If Sony do cancel, then they'd lose revenue and Nikon could easily find another CMOS manufacturer.

This is just speculation at my point, but the independant filmmaker and videographer is a small market. Sony are most likely watching it, and they probably have an PMW-EX3 "killer" with a DSLR prototype somewhere. Doubt it'd give raw or professional monitoring though...

Most people wont want big sensors, unless the lenses were super fast + silent auto-focus, ability to select the crop factor, and the price is right. Most of the money would be in consumer stuff a compact camera with hd recording, or a 1/3 chip camcorder anyway...
 
Hi BandanaDan,

BandanaDan said:
I really doubt Sony would care enough to halt manufacturing Nikon sensors. Otherwise, why didn't they so already when Sony took over Minolta? If Sony do cancel, then they'd lose revenue and Nikon could easily find another CMOS manufacturer.
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A pro-quality full-frame Nikon HDSLR would be much more disruptive because it's a convergence device. It would compete with lots of disparate Sony product ranges. Sony are a world-leader in CMOS manufacturing - I doubt there is, currently, a viable alternative supplier. Sony need only raise prices to Nikon to contain the threat.

BandanaDan said:
This is just speculation at my point, but the independant filmmaker and videographer is a small market. Sony are most likely watching it, and they probably have an PMW-EX3 "killer" with a DSLR prototype somewhere. Doubt it'd give raw or professional monitoring though...
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A Nikon full-HD VDSLR would be a viable B-camera for these sectors and may be a viable A-camera too with the nascent technology I mentioned above.

BandanaDan said:
Most people wont want big sensors, unless the lenses were super fast + silent auto-focus, ability to select the crop factor, and the price is right. Most of the money would be in consumer stuff a compact camera with hd recording, or a 1/3 chip camcorder anyway...
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I agree however, pro-video Producers, amongst others, would want it and that is a very important and lucrative sector for Sony. They can't afford to damage their profit-making sectors. Sony have only just returned to profit after seven years of losses. Their XDCam range has been a big success. Nikon could easily make a dent there.
 
alloneword said:
A pro-quality full-frame Nikon HDSLR would be much more disruptive because it's a convergence device. It would compete with lots of disparate Sony product ranges. Sony are a world-leader in CMOS manufacturing - I doubt there is, currently, a viable alternative supplier. Sony need only raise prices to Nikon to contain the threat.
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Even so, I think Canon will be taken more seriously due to them listening to customers, offering more framerates and full HD.

Have Sony or Canon or Panavision or Arri tried to buy or force RED/SI's hands? I doubt they'd do so to Nikon too.

Maybe there's some strategy going on behind Nikon's closed doors. But even still, Nikon and Canon are the two big wigs in DSLRs, and I really believe if Nikon needed another CMOS manufacturer besides Sony, they'll find one.



mcgeedigital said:
In no way is mjpeg better than h.264.
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Funny, I convert the 7d's h264 to MJPEG when editing. If it recorded in MJPEG in the first place that would have been dandy... I mean I'd be able to edit in real time and it'd look more filmic to start with...
 
BandanaDan said:
Funny, I convert the 7d's h264 to MJPEG when editing. If it recorded in MJPEG in the first place that would have been dandy... I mean I'd be able to edit in real time and it'd look more filmic to start with...
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Is this because mjpeg is somehow more filmic than h.264?

I'll sip my tasty Starbucks vanilla latte while I eagerly await your explanation...
 
PerroneFord said:
Is this because mjpeg is somehow more filmic than h.264?

I'll sip my tasty Starbucks vanilla latte while I eagerly await your explanation...
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In a matter of speaking yeah! The pattern on the h264 looks blotchey round smooth [especially at low bitrates]. But the MJPEG has very dotty grain [albeit with the squiggles at said low bitrates...]

I'm sure there's a more technical reason but I just know what I've seen :)
 
BandanaDan said:
In a matter of speaking yeah! The pattern on the h264 looks blotchey round smooth [especially at low bitrates]. But the MJPEG has very dotty grain [albeit with the squiggles at said low bitrates...]

I'm sure there's a more technical reason but I just know what I've seen :)
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Better tell Sony to pull up the tent stakes on HDCamSR then....

Awesome.
 
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