Nikon Cine Camera

RRRoger

RRRoger

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I am betting that Nikon is looking at the C300 right now.

How much less than $19k would a Nikon Cine cost?
Would they use a D4 Sensor?
Would they develop F-mount Cine lens?
Would they use two or more XQD cards?
Would it shoot more than 2MBs per frame?
Would it shoot Nikon RAW?
 
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To me if they had any sense they would go for a 2k raw net shooter, DLSR body, with decent connectivity (SDi) to output to a Pix 240 (which handles sound and XLR)

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RRRoger said:
I am betting that Nikon is looking at the C300 right now.

How much less than $19k would a Nikon Cine cost?
Would they use a D4 Sensor?
Would they develop F-mount Cine lens?
Would they use two or more XQD cards?
Would it shoot more than 2MBs per frame?
Would it shoot Nikon RAW?
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Nikon has never really been a player in the video camera game. They tried back when everyone was coming out with 8mm cameras, but failed.

I would be VERY surprised if they released a video camera.
 
I got a feeling that Nikon is protecting Sony's Video department. Who Produce Nikon's sensors?
Nikon could easily be the King of Low budget (Indie) productions, so what's holding Nikon? I don't know, I'M ONLY GUESSING here, but I would like to find out what's the reason.
If Oakley founder Jim Jannard did it, with less money, less technology, less experience in Image acquisition development, so the obvious question would be, why not Nikon?
 
Nikon is a very conservative company, they're not very bold. I wish they would be looking at C300 right now but I really doubt it.
 
Whenever one of these threads comes up, it seems like there is an assumption that video capabilities are a huge factor in DSLR profits.

To me, it certainly looks like just having 1080p seems fine for Nikon. Ever since the D90, people have been predicting amazing capabilities from DSLRs, and then screaming when a new body comes out that isn't a quantum leap.

What we are asking for doesn't seem like much, but from what I've read of the 5DmkIII, it's not the amazing next-gen video shooter everyone was hoping for. Canon throws in a $20k camera that seems hugely overpriced, Scarlet is about $14k for a working rig. Where's our visually-uncompressed 1080 cam that takes DSLR lenses with burst frame rates up to 100+ fps, with XLR audio, etc, for about $5k? Still waiting, seems like someone would sell a ton of 'em. Apparently Nikon, Panasonic, Canon, and Red don't think so.
 
Michael Carter said:
Whenever one of these threads comes up, it seems like there is an assumption that video capabilities are a huge factor in DSLR profits.

To me, it certainly looks like just having 1080p seems fine for Nikon. Ever since the D90, people have been predicting amazing capabilities from DSLRs, and then screaming when a new body comes out that isn't a quantum leap.

What we are asking for doesn't seem like much, but from what I've read of the 5DmkIII, it's not the amazing next-gen video shooter everyone was hoping for. Canon throws in a $20k camera that seems hugely overpriced, Scarlet is about $14k for a working rig. Where's our visually-uncompressed 1080 cam that takes DSLR lenses with burst frame rates up to 100+ fps, with XLR audio, etc, for about $5k? Still waiting, seems like someone would sell a ton of 'em. Apparently Nikon, Panasonic, Canon, and Red don't think so.
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We still buy the incremental upgrades. By the time I am done buying all these dslr's I might as well have gone RED!
 
why would they be looking at a c300 right now ??!!

they did their effort in making a Dslr with uncompressed HDMI output !!

for indie film makers thats more than enough , if you want more than that , you better go with RED,ALEXA,GENESIS,AATON and all those big guys if you have the budget

concerning footage Quality (beside it being behaving like a camcorder and not a dslr) A c300 is just a little improved canon dslr , just like the panasonic AF101 which is a little improvement of the gh2
 
t.p. said:
why would they be looking at a c300 right now ??!!

they did their effort in making a Dslr with uncompressed HDMI output !!
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Yeah, I think they have potential to be on a different wavelength as Canon. We'll see if they play ball with other manufacturers though.
 
JPM Photography said:
Nikon has never really been a player in the video camera game. They tried back when everyone was coming out with 8mm cameras, but failed.

I would be VERY surprised if they released a video camera.
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Define FAILED, the R10 was one of the most reliable end elegant Super 8 cameras out there. I owned one for several years.
 
GioCanales said:
I got a feeling that Nikon is protecting Sony's Video department. Who Produce Nikon's sensors?
Nikon could easily be the King of Low budget (Indie) productions, so what's holding Nikon? I don't know, I'M ONLY GUESSING here, but I would like to find out what's the reason.
If Oakley founder Jim Jannard did it, with less money, less technology, less experience in Image acquisition development, so the obvious question would be, why not Nikon?
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Fascinating observations. as i have said in the past, the japanese are insular and immure themselves behind consortia that share a lot of technology and intercourse fabrication. The japanese consumer electronics business is much like their auto industry, and then there's IP. that's Intellectual Property. Companies are in constant competition with each other, not for piddly retail customers, No! for IP licensing rights. They trade that like money, and they should. So your question, "Who Produce Nikon's sensors?" applies to MOST of the electronics parts that go into your fav gear. The answer is THE CONSORTIA. The perception of discrete is part reality, part fiction. I have said this before. Ignore the brand focus on the feature set.

Jim Jannard is a brilliant guy. Anyone want a pair of Blades? As I have said in the past, his jump into High Def HD video was/is a HUGE risk. You see, it was only a matter of time before the Japanese bunch caught on and up and scooped up the installed base that was ignored by RED. Yup, here we are in the future that i predicted 5 years ago.
Also in my original missive was the answer to "so the obvious question would be, why not Nikon?"
The short answer is The timing is wrong. Look at the global economy and the stress Japan in under.
RED barely achieved a delayed roll out of Scarlet, and for a good reason The timing is wrong. Look at the global economy and the stress America in under.

Look. Most owners of RED gear are investors that rent out their cameras. That reminds me ( a bit OT here) of Silicon Graphics. Right? They were the 'RED Digital' of the desktop computer paradigm. Where is SGI? G.O.N.E. If Jim Jannard & Co are as astute as I think they are, they are reading the history of SGI with fear in their hearts.

Putting it simply, Apple's Power PC Chip captured the desperate need of the bottom and middle tiers for fast graphics and video ready processing. That, friends, was the death knell for SGI.
I wish RED all the good fortune that they so richly deserve, seriously. BUT they had better be selling some IP to the likes of Japan or they will be road kill in 3 years.

So i end this, my final missive for the evening with a lovely photo of one of my fav photographers, a man that knows that it's the eye of the beholder that makes for beautiful images, not some pricey hunk of technology.
 

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t.p. said:
why would they be looking at a c300 right now ??!!

they did their effort in making a Dslr with uncompressed HDMI output !!

for indie film makers thats more than enough , if you want more than that , you better go with RED,ALEXA,GENESIS,AATON and all those big guys if you have the budget

concerning footage Quality (beside it being behaving like a camcorder and not a dslr) A c300 is just a little improved canon dslr , just like the panasonic AF101 which is a little improvement of the gh2
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If the uncompressed output is what it make you think it is, than what the hack; lets keep it so - no Nikon Videocam, but from what I hear, it is far from what you expect from uncompressed video.
 
Kenny_G said:
If the uncompressed output is what it make you think it is, than what the hack; lets keep it so - no Nikon Videocam, but from what I hear, it is far from what you expect from uncompressed video.
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What exactly did you hear and where did you hear it? Sources please. Images would also help.
 
Stuart U said:
What exactly did you hear and where did you hear it? Sources please. Images would also help.
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Just wait a few more days; say end of the week. Perhaps there will be more info about the video capabilities of the camera. Remember, when a company gives little info about something, most of the time it sucks. We here a lot of the uncompressed, but there are so many unanswered questions.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
Ignore the brand focus on the feature set.
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Well said.

t.p. said:
A C300 is just a little improved canon dslr
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Serious? Go ask any person out there shooting on the C300 and ask them what they really think of the camera?

Michael Carter said:
Canon throws in a $20k camera that seems hugely overpriced, Scarlet is about $14k for a working rig.
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Get a quote from a dealer and see how clost to $20k you are. Actually the RRP is $16K for the C300. Scarlet is $15965 for the working package and will have about 1 hour battery life.

Just clearing up the mis info there.
 
Emanuel said:
This camera is the D4 with an HDMI recorder attached. Period.
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That's a low res full frame DSLR with nice Nikon colours, reasonable latitude and higher bitrate. In image and function, the C300 is a cinema camera.
 
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James0b57 said:
We still buy the incremental upgrades. By the time I am done buying all these dslr's I might as well have gone RED!
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..."still buy the incremental upgrades"...Not me... RED huh ? Well. If I had work that required it, I'd buy it. Otherwise, I'd rather do more traveling with the $

Look folks, the high priced marketeers in Japan are still trying to divine the future, the paradigms shift so quickly. One minute pocket HD camera look poised to take over the world then "Poof" iphone comes along and shots and edits HD on a smart phone. The highly paid dudes in marketing and business development don't take these shifts easily. The are also extremely protective of each others and the Pro circuit of customers.
Yes Apple trounced the PC and VHS beat out the better betaformat and so on. But if RED is still a fringe and niche player, it's because the momentum is shifting away from the exotic high end to the very low end of the spectrum. It's easy to be deluded into thinking that the enthusiast market is bigger than it really is. We are actually in the vast minority of videographers and photographers.
So proselytizing about how Nikon really ought to get it's act together yadda yadda is out of place.
More interesting is the question of how long the separation of manufacturers and discrete market segmentation can continue.
Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, JVC, Olympus (yes) Pentax etc...
We don't need them all, just two or three.
These guys all share IP rights (Sony's sensor in Nikon's bodies) they outsource to the same contractors so why they mantain separate brands in beyond me.
 
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