NFL - Large Sensor End Zone Cam... Your Thoughts?

Run&Gun said:
Football has been largely okay. Basketball absolutely, positively SUCKS with no fans. It's almost impossible to shoot basketball, because of the proximity of the fans to the court and players, to NOT see that they are playing in empty arenas with an incredibly weird set-up. I only ever really cared about the NBA when I was shooting it and making money off of it(used to LOVE shooting it on the floor), but there is ZERO reason to watch the NBA or college on TV, now, for me. Every game I have seen so far feels like a high school scrimmage.
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Germany, Italy, Spain and France are still fanless.

England lets small portions in.

Oh and you were right about NBCSN. They're winding down their operations at year's end. Some properties such as the NHL are going to the USA Network. The EPL contract is over in May. And, naturally, Comcast wants to promote Peacock too.

The most important thing is to get rid of Florio's ugly mug. Or move him to streaming.

Someone will bid for the channel, I assume. Newsmax2. Oi, gewalt.
 
DLD said:
Germany, Italy, Spain and France are still fanless.

England lets small portions in.

Oh and you were right about NBCSN. They're winding down their operations at year's end. Some properties such as the NHL are going to the USA Network. The EPL contract is over in May. And, naturally, Comcast wants to promote Peacock too.

The most important thing is to get rid of Florio's ugly mug. Or move him to streaming.

Someone will bid for the channel, I assume. Newsmax2. Oi, gewalt.
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Sometimes you hate being correct... I heard it “confirmed” several days ago. I have friends that this may/probably will affect, depending largely on one of the shows and if it’s kept and moved over to Peacock or 86’d. But I wouldn’t bet large sums of money on it being kept. The production company that did a huge amount of work for it let most of their staff go (in 2020) and at least one of the talent didn’t have their contract renewed.
 
That is a shame about NBCSN. As a consumer, I like their channel. TV is still my preferred medium to watch anything, so when I see the fabric being torn apart in favor of sports talk shows and watching things on a phone it makes me unhappy. But I am not young anymore. Seems like sports in the past 20-30 years became overproduced driving costs to unsustainable levels for today's world. Does MNF really need 32 cameras to be successful? Tough questions because if you take away the 'big event' feeling, pro sports look like high school scrimmages in the end as Run & Gun states.

I hope Indycar does not get lost in shuffle.
 
The NHL seems well suited toward streaming simply due to the sheer number of content hours and the ability to have a perpetual replay. Global soccer leagues generally play on Saturday and Sunday because they have historically depended on a live gate/in person attendance for revenues (you see, most leagues predate television). The Italian Serie A and the German Bundesliga have found home on ESPN+. The English Premier League, on the other hand, gets stellar ratings, given its early morning time slot. ESPN/+ and NBC/Telemundo/Peacock are the likely top bidders there. Fox Soccer Channel was the EPL carrier for a long time but Fox is no longer in "show business" and doesn't have a streaming platform to fall back on. (Fox Nation doesn't count)

Streaming can be done via TV, especially now that HD is the low end of resolution. I assume most upcoming TV models will have several of the most popular brands (Netflix, YouTube, Disney, HBO Max, Peacock) built into their OS. Otherwise, its Roku and alike. 4K beats the pixelated OTA signal anyway.
 
I would say the level of production of professional sports(outside of Ted Turner and the Braves) for even regular season events really started to escalate in the early 2000’s with FOX leading the charge with their Hollywood/entertainment mentality. Now, it’s expected and I wonder if you can put the genie back in the bottle? I’ve already seen certain sports dialed back over the last two years or so(largely the “pre” shows leading directly in to the event from the event), and honestly, it makes the events feel less important, less big, less grand. Couple that with less fans, so that the excitement and energy during the event itself doesn’t have the same level it used to and it’s a recipe for disaster, in my opinion.

If you want people to “tune in” and devote their time to your event, it needs to feel big, special and grand. ‘‘I’m watching something important”.

I get that some things just can’t be avoided right now, like low/no attendance, but other things can still be done. They have created a product that people have become accustomed to over the last decade or two and if they water it down, the viewers/fans may move on to something else. It’s like if there’s a restaurant you really like with great food and good selection and then they cut the menu back and one of your favorite dishes is no longer on there and they start using cheaper ingredients, why keep going?
 
I agree with R&G. The perception of importance is partly what drives us to respect and watch, whether it's movies in the cinema or sports on TV.

SOME of the audience will always be there. But you lose a few people who were influenced by the grandeur, then you lose a few more who were influenced by the sheer popularity, and you arrive at a lower equilibrium point of viewership, which may or may not be enough to keep the institution going. I'm guessing that with broadcast sports it will be, but theatrical cinema I'm not so sure. And everyone else is watching other people play video games on YouTube.
 
All good points and I think we are at that point now where the waters are receding and nobody knows how deep the lake is... I have been a happy customer of YouTubeTV and make a point to never watch anything live as the commercial presentation is so aggressive nowdays. I do not like the idea of advertisers throwing their money at the situation while we all avoid the product. I would rather see a pay subscription with an ad-free presentation. But I know this model is challenging to make work. But, with low cost of entry to watch (YTTV ~$60-$70 a month) I have some wiggle room to pay for things I want to be a part of. I see this as resulting in lower production budgets which in turn lowers the "event quan" (Jerry Maguire reference). So no easy answers.
 
$60-70 is low? How much are people paying for TV? I thought it was like $100ish including internet.

Yeah, that model is doomed with generational turnover...
 
ahalpert said:
$60-70 is low? How much are people paying for TV? I thought it was like $100ish including internet.

Yeah, that model is doomed with generational turnover...
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I pay $225/month for DirecTV and my internet is now $75/month(Spectrum). Plus Netflix just went up(or at least just sent the notice out that it's going up). I also have Amazon Prime Video and Music included in my annual Prime subscription and Disney+, ESPN+, Hulu and Apple Music included in my Verizon cell plan package. And pretty sure I still have Apple TV+, because I forgot to cancel it, so like $5/month there...
 
ahalpert said:
$60-70 is low? How much are people paying for TV? I thought it was like $100ish including internet.

Yeah, that model is doomed with generational turnover...
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The $60-$70 a month is for the YouTube TV service. My internet is a separate account/company. Yes it is low compared to the old model that Run & Gun listed.
 
Looks like FOX has it on a real Steadicam today and is not shooting with as shallow of depth of field and maybe a little wider focal length, too.
 
Run&Gun said:
I pay $225/month for DirecTV and my internet is now $75/month(Spectrum). Plus Netflix just went up(or at least just sent the notice out that it's going up). I also have Amazon Prime Video and Music included in my annual Prime subscription and Disney+, ESPN+, Hulu and Apple Music included in my Verizon cell plan package. And pretty sure I still have Apple TV+, because I forgot to cancel it, so like $5/month there...
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Yikes. I never paid for cable and my parents cancelled our satellite TV when I was like 10, so I'm pretty out of the loop. I think I get mailers from optimum offering $100/mo for internet + TV but that may be only for an introductory year.

This is another one of those things where the cultural currency really matters. I would pay for cable if it were necessary to fit in with my peer group and if it were a cultural essential akin to having a smartphone. But it ain't anymore.

Meanwhile, most of what's on TV is garbage and now you cam get better material on demand without commercials at higher quality on the internet for a lower price and no yearly commitment. You can get garbage too, if you want.

I feel like cable and satellite TV are coasting on the loyalties of long-standing subscribers...
 
They definitely have the A7 out there, too. Just saw it after the game. So they had their normal full sized Steadi with 2/3" broadcast head, the a7 on an electronic gimbal and whatever this "new" one is.
 
CBS had a decent use coming out of break where the OP started on the goal post and let the AF take it to the field/players in the huddle. I thought C70 because the grip looks deeper with a lot of connection covers. I don't think that is an R5/R6 and they would not be using a 5DMKIV. Definitely not a Sony body.
 
Bassman2003 said:
CBS had a decent use coming out of break where the OP started on the goal post and let the AF take it to the field/players in the huddle. I thought C70 because the grip looks deeper with a lot of connection covers. I don't think that is an R5/R6 and they would not be using a 5DMKIV. Definitely not a Sony body.
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I saw that.

After looking at it a little more, the new FOX camera may be a C70. CBS is a VENICE. At least the one on the Steadicam. I think they have another one on a big gimbal. Haven't gotten a good look, but you would think it would be a VENICE, too. CBS looks to be running wider open.

*edit* Just got a good look and it's a VENICE on the big gimbal, too.
 
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This reads like sports announcers

("CBS gives the shot to the VENICE and is running wide open down the field on a sled...")
 
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