Next Odyssey 7q/7q+ update

Essami said:
Compressed RAW would be a winner. :)
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But with what codec? Cineform RAW would be amazing as the workflow and tools are very mature. lossy DNG would be interesting but a little less usable.

Yes pre-record buffer and would be very nice and seems very much within the realm of possibility. Adjustable EI for LUTs and recording LUTted images would be nice too. Noise reduction for RAW-to-ProRes modes would be great...
 
nyvz said:
...Noise reduction for RAW-to-ProRes modes would be great...
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Agree! Running HFR ProRes (and sometimes even lower frame rates) through DeNoiser is so time-consuming, but virtually always necessary. So on-the-fly NR would be great!
 
Mitch Gross said:
Such functionality will come later. What you can do in the next update is:

monitor 4, record none (it's done this from the beginning)
monitor two, record one (this is at no additional cost)
monitor two, record two (this is included in the RAW Bundle)

Other functionality will come in the future.
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Will you enable 3:2 pulldown on HD dual monitor/dual record and HD dual monitor/single record?
 
compressed raw would be a winner. i think it's the last great step for odyssey.

but i think i read about all the limitations to achieve.

wouldn't expect for it.
 
Parrot said:
Will you enable 3:2 pulldown on HD dual monitor/dual record and HD dual monitor/single record?
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Good question, and I'm not sure as to the answer. I recall asking our engineers about it some time ago but not sure where we landed on that development. I know it was a goal. Worst case it can be removed in post, but would be nice to remove during recording.
 
I know I've mentioned this before but I really think a 5" version of the Odyssey 7Q with a thinner and lighter body plus pared down features would be fantastic, especially for the Sony FS5. Given the fact that cameras are getting smaller it would make rigging and using them on the go much easier.

This is just a request/suggestion so please don't bite, but I for one would be more than happy if I could have 4K RAW to 4K Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) and other flavours of pro res from any possible 5" model.
Given the size of a 5" recorder it would probably only be able to take a single SSD or other recording media (I'm not sure how this would impact recording 4K Apple Pro Res 422); also a single battery might only be possible.

I'm not too concerned about battery power however, as whatever recorder I decide on for the FS5 I intend to run a D-Tap to the new Hawk Woods BP-75UX battery.

I really think Convergent Design would be on to winner with a smaller 5" version, given the fact that the FS7 is outselling all other
4K camera in this price range and the FS5 is sure to follow if not surpass this.
Just my 2 Cents.

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Just purchased my 7Q+ 3 weeks ago and have put it to work every week. Best purchase I have made in a long time. The only thing I wish I could do is apply and view different LUT's to different inputs in Multi mode. Will this ever be possible Mitch?
 
mraaron895 said:
Just purchased my 7Q+ 3 weeks ago and have put it to work every week. Best purchase I have made in a long time. The only thing I wish I could do is apply and view different LUT's to different inputs in Multi mode. Will this ever be possible Mitch?
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Sorry I somehow missed this post earlier.

Don't know if we have the processor overhead for that one. I'll put it on the request list for the engineers.
 
GREEN_RANGER said:
Thought i'd crank up this old thread to see if theres a new update coming soon for the ody?
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There is a new update coming soon as I indicated in another thread. Our "September" update got pushed back when we discovered an issue during testing. There are so many combinations of settings and functions and we have to test them all on multiple machines to make sure no issues arise. Then once we fix an issue we have to start all over again in case we caused a new issue to spring up. As we add more functionality to the Odyssey it means that the testing takes that much longer.

It is coming soon but I know that is not soon enough for many of you. I will say that you will be hearing a lot from Convergent Design over the course of the next few weeks/months. There's a lot cooking.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Thanks for the love.

Just so we're clear, the Dual-Stream is strictly for HD video signals. No 4K, no RAW. Those two cameras can output HD, but they can also output other stuff. Just want to make sure we're clear.
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Mitch, Can the two signals be completely different, from different cameras or must they match?
 
Does the A7 also send out 4K raw signal that is transcoded / down rezzed to ProRes 1080p? Creating a matching 4K2HD SLOG image? This would make it a perfect B camera to do 2 Camera Interview shoots with FS700 / FS7 ETC....
 
tillhavis said:
Given the size of a 5" recorder it would probably only be able to take a single SSD or other recording media (I'm not sure how this would impact recording 4K Apple Pro Res 422)
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That is the issue, I assume. Many things the 7Q can do that the other recorders can't do is because the 7Q has two separate buses for the drives. Without that it wouldn't be able to do the high frame rates it's capable of, for example.
It probably would be 4K 30p only. Maybe it would work with dual some other media. But that would likely mean higher cost per go instead...
 
taynos said:
Mitch, Can the two signals be completely different, from different cameras or must they match?
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If you are recording one / viewing two, then they do not need to match. They can be different variants of HD, as in 1080p30, 1080i60 and 720p60.

If you are recording two then they need to be the same resolution and framerate.
 
taynos said:
Does the A7 also send out 4K raw signal that is transcoded / down rezzed to ProRes 1080p? Creating a matching 4K2HD SLOG image? This would make it a perfect B camera to do 2 Camera Interview shoots with FS700 / FS7 ETC....
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The various A7-- mirrors cameras do not send out RAW data as motion pictures. Some have the ability to record RAW still frames, which has confused some people. What these cameras instead output is SMPTE-standard video signals, in either UHD or HD resolutions.

For Dual-Stream Recording, both signals must enter the Odyssey7Q+ at an HD resolution. Dual-Stream cannot accept an UHD resolution and Supersample it to HD, although the Odyssey7Q+ can do this when only recording a single stream of video. Likewise, in Dual-Stream the FS7/FS700 cameras cannot be outputting RAW data to be converted in the Odyssey7Q+ to HD. The only way to feed the signal to the Odyssey7Q+ in Dual-Stream is as an HD feed. All of these cameras are in fact capable of outputting an HD video signal.
 
Mitch Gross said:
The various A7-- mirrors cameras do not send out RAW data as motion pictures. Some have the ability to record RAW still frames, which has confused some people. What these cameras instead output is SMPTE-standard video signals, in either UHD or HD resolutions.

For Dual-Stream Recording, both signals must enter the Odyssey7Q+ at an HD resolution. Dual-Stream cannot accept an UHD resolution and Supersample it to HD, although the Odyssey7Q+ can do this when only recording a single stream of video. Likewise, in Dual-Stream the FS7/FS700 cameras cannot be outputting RAW data to be converted in the Odyssey7Q+ to HD. The only way to feed the signal to the Odyssey7Q+ in Dual-Stream is as an HD feed. All of these cameras are in fact capable of outputting an HD video signal.
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Oh ok, So you lose the supersampled 4K2HD image quality when shooting dual-stream on the F7000 / FS7.

That leads me to another question, how much better is recording in regular HD mode via 7Q vs the internal SD card. I thought regular HD mode was still 8bit. Is it 10bit but just not supersampled? I assume the compression is better in ProResHQ (or the other flavors of PR) vs internal AVCHD but I've never tested it or researched because 4k2HD was on another level of sharpness and color depth vs outputting 1080HD out FS700 to Pro Res into 7Q.

Also, in Dual-stream, Do the clips have matching TC for swift syncing in Multi-Cam mode when editing in your NLE?
 
We do feel that our 4K->HD image quality is superior to the HD signal that comes straight out of the camera on the FS700 -- that's why we did it. On the FS7 the difference is not that big.

On the FS700 the video processing is all 8-bit so even if you record it in Apple ProRes 10-bit it is just sticking zeros on the end. Internal recording in the FS700 is 4:2:0 v 4:2:2 in Apple ProRes, and we do see advantages in the higher bit rate compression. Again, on the FS7 this is not as much of an issue.

The first iteration of Dual-Stream Recording will essentially be a pair of separate recording modules. The timecode will be either the embedded timecode of each individual camera or you can feed a matching timecode to both that is either generated in the Odyssey7Q+ or comes in via the LTO input from a separate timecode generator such as an audio recorder.
 
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