NEX FS 100 footage thread and links

diegocervo said:
Thanks for sharing the MTS files.
I downloaded the files I found here http://www.mynahmedia.com/2011/04/an-hour-with-the-sony-nex-fs100u/#more-227 and converted them to prores using 5DtoRGB and they look pretty good. I don't see aliasing but I can't judge on moire on the foliage.
Best,
Diego
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I played those clips in the VLC player and did not see any moire or aliasing. What I saw was outstanding DR, nice color and sharpness, and what I have been looking...for for 20 years... a Super 16mm killer...and for about $6 Grand. If the production model reviews and footage continue to be as positive and good looking, then I have found my NEXT camera. Now, I am not saying that it will be my LAST camera, for sure, but give me a break! WOW!
 
right.
There is definitely something wrong with aliasing when playing back the avchd file in AE or PP. When converting in prores everything is just fine.
 
I love the imagery from this camera, but I'm still going to buy an AF100 this summer even if this FS100 is available (probably late summer, or Fall). I really do like the quality that this FS100 puts out, don't get me wrong.
But I feel like I would be buying additional items to accommodate what it's missing. And at that point, I would rather spend the additional $6K or so to get the PMW-F3.
Most people won't be able to pony up the extra $$ for an F3, which is why this camera is so appealing.
I was just playing around with the histogram on my GH2 tonight and realized how much I would miss a waveform monitor if I had to shoot something real with the GH2.
Same goes with the FS100. Yes, you can buy a monitor with a waveform built in and tack it on to your rig, but isn't it really really nice just to have it on the flip out LCD? And isn't it really convenient to have ND filters built in to supplement the ones you put in your matte box?
I'm not being ANTI-FS100 or anything, I'm just thinking that ahead about my own purchase of the AF100 and probably will skip the FS100 for the F3 next year (or just rent the F3). It's all personal choices, I think the AF100 is still a viable alternate, especially for me.
 
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Doctor Wu said:
Yes, you can buy a monitor with a waveform built in and tack it on to your rig, but isn't it really really nice just to have it on the flip out LCD? And isn't it really convenient to have ND filters built in to supplement the ones you put in your matte box?
I'm not being ANTI-FS100 or anything, I'm just thinking that ahead about my own purchase of the AF100 and probably will skip the FS100 for the F3 next year (or just rent the F3). It's all personal choices, I think the AF100 is still a viable alternate, especially for me.
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Thanks for your perspective Doc. All very good points. As a GH2 owner myself, I am certainly not anti-AF100 - but, if what we're seeing and hearing about the low-light sensitivity of the FS100 is true, the money I'll save on lighting for the kind of work that I do makes the FS100 a better upgrade purchase path for me. In the meantime, I'll rent the terrific AF100 when I need its capabilities (especially since I already have m4/3 glass)!
 
sony just a suggection!! Next camera, make it just a box and totally modular... no lcd screen, but!!! Put in ND filters.. c'mon, thats kinda a dissapointment in my view because even your z7 has it and many other cameras... I guess they were thinking dslr here? I dont know... im totally nit picking, I am so ready for this camera
 
I played those clips in the VLC player and did not see any moire or aliasing. What I saw was outstanding DR, nice color and sharpness, and what I have been looking...for for 20 years... a Super 16mm killer...and for about $6 Grand. If the production model reviews and footage continue to be as positive and good looking, then I have found my NEXT camera. Now, I am not saying that it will be my LAST camera, for sure, but give me a break! WOW!
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+1
 
Doctor Wu said:
I love the imagery from this camera, but I'm still going to buy an AF100 this summer even if this FS100 is available (probably late summer, or Fall). I really do like the quality that this FS100 puts out, don't get me wrong.
But I feel like I would be buying additional items to accommodate what it's missing. And at that point, I would rather spend the additional $6K or so to get the PMW-F3.
Most people won't be able to pony up the extra $$ for an F3, which is why this camera is so appealing.
I was just playing around with the histogram on my GH2 tonight and realized how much I would miss a waveform monitor if I had to shoot something real with the GH2.
Same goes with the FS100. Yes, you can buy a monitor with a waveform built in and tack it on to your rig, but isn't it really really nice just to have it on the flip out LCD? And isn't it really convenient to have ND filters built in to supplement the ones you put in your matte box?
I'm not being ANTI-FS100 or anything, I'm just thinking that ahead about my own purchase of the AF100 and probably will skip the FS100 for the F3 next year (or just rent the F3). It's all personal choices, I think the AF100 is still a viable alternate, especially for me.
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It is nice to have a wfm right there, but I'd rather have expanded focus. I'd say the af100s lack of expanded focus warrants an external LCD more than the fs100s lack of wfm. you can adjust gamma/color of an image exposed to zebras in post but you cannot fix focus in post so easily.
 
http://firewerkzfilms.com/2011/04/02/sony-nex-fs-100-review/

Another review - done by Sean Seah in Singapore. Good to watch if you want to have a sense of the size and ergonomics of the camera. Nice touch to see the different mike positions.And at the very last bit of the video, there's a list of pros and cons - I did not know this camera has stabilization built into the body....

EDIT - most likely a mistake, checked some sites and seems the kit lens has OSS (I think Sony calls it Steady Shot)
 
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Im sure Sony didn't forget to add Nd filters, There's a damn good reason for it. I have a feeling it was a choice to leave them out, so they would be able to get that HUGE sensor in there, and keep the form factor small. Lets be real, who shoots without a matte box? 99 % of the riggs I see people using have at least two filter stages, and some three. This was one of the two reasons matteboxes were created in the first place. Many seem to use them more to look cool than the intended use. For me, the ND issue is a non issue. Your going to have better control with a good set of ND's than the two or three stages most cameras come with. At least this way you can mix and match different varients without needing to tweak the iris or shutter speed to much. In the end, yes it will take more time than switching a knob on the front of the camera, but im willing to bet the glass on a nice ND filter's is of better quality than what their using in these cams. Thus making a better image. How much? not much im sure. But something is better than nothing, other wise pixel peeping would be a moot point.
 
jamesjjs said:
http://firewerkzfilms.com/2011/04/02/sony-nex-fs-100-review/

Another review - done by Sean Seah in Singapore. Good to watch if you want to have a sense of the size and ergonomics of the camera. Nice touch to see the different mike positions.And at the very last bit of the video, there's a list of pros and cons - I did not know this camera has stabilization built into the body....

EDIT - most likely a mistake, checked some sites and seems the kit lens has OSS (I think Sony calls it Steady Shot)
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He showed some features, I have not yet seen. This is the cam for me. As soon as im able to preorder, im on it.
 
Bad news. I tested on Avid Media Composer 5 at office, imported in both DNxHD 185 X (10 bit) and DNxHD 185 (8 bit) and also watched on Sony broadcast monitor.

The aliasing is similar to Premiere Pro CS4 and Windows Media Player.

Maybe more people can try download the footage in question and test it in your own NLE. What we are particularly concerned with is the aliasing at the chrome strips of the scooter (bottom left) and also the office building in the background.

So we have 4 possible scenarios:

A) I shot in the wrong camera settings (although I believe it was default)
B) NLE handling of AVCHD issue
C) I shot handheld (hence more obvious aliasing) VS other footages of other people were shot on tripod (hence less aliasing)
D) Other cameras would have produced similar aliasing under those difficult circumstances

On the other hand, I am no Barry Green or Philip Bloom, so perhaps people can just wait for those reviews before making a conclusion.
 
Downloaded, converted to prores... Clean as a whistle. So you're doing something wrong on your end. I don't see ANY aliasing.
 
Dusty,

Can you post a screen print of the scooter's floor board? Thanks much.


tengo,

The footage is 25P, right? I've looked at in TMPGEnc, Avid and Vegas. It aliases for me as well in all three aps.
 
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tengo,


I tried transcoding to Avid 1:1x and bring that into Avid, and there is only very slight aliasing. I'm not sure what's going on here. By comparison, DNxHD 185 shows much more aliasing.
 
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Glad to know it's on the NLE's end. I'm in Premiere CS5 and not seeing any issues with my footage that I didn't notice in FCP as well.
 
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