New small UHD 60P Panasonic trio AG-CX10, HC-X1500, HC-X2000

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These look interesting. The CX10 is the top dog of the three.
These remind me of those 3 small Sony camcorders that came out a while back but better

Price points at:
HC-X1500: $1,697.99
HC-X2000: $2,197.99
AG-CX10: $2,795.00

-Up to UHD 4K60 Video
- 3G-SDI, HDMI Out
-NDI/HX for Streaming and IP Control
-1/2.5" 8.29M MOS Sensor, Venus Engine
-24x Optical Zoom, 48x Digital iZoom
Quite a few features for such small cameras.
More info here
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explor...434353736383430463932324142334433343332453738
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These look quite nice. P2 codecs as well. They are pretty much 1/3" sensors so light gathering (or really noise reduction) will be key to how useful they are outside of daylight situations. It will be interesting if they have the full menu structure like matrix and color correction like the bigger cams.
 
Bassman2003 said:
They are pretty much 1/3" sensors so light gathering (or really noise reduction) will be key to how useful they are outside of daylight situations.
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They will probably be great if there's enough light, but I'm wondering if they will be usable indoors ? ( the Sony cams mentioned above have 1 inch sensors )

I was expecting something more along the lines of smaller CX350 cams with the same 1 inch sensor.
 
Yeah the 1 inch vs 1/3 difference seems to put one advantage to the Sony NX80, AX700 and Z90 compact cams. Yet the Panasonics seems desireable in most other aspects. Maybe the time difference will have allowed some tech advancements to help the low light of the smaller chips Panasonics.

Panasonic is touting them as compact B cams to compliment more expensive A cams. Having a small portable camera that can cut with more expensive A cams is nice, if indeed they will be able to.
I am probably most excited that they can do 60P UHD

I don't think Panasonic has made a compact camera similar to the old AG HMC40 since then. Many loved the little HCM40 but it's low light was horrible
 
I have used my PX270 for five years with 6db as the gain limit. I put Neat Video on when I need 6db. If these cameras can match or exceed this level of light gathering they will be plenty useful for all types of work. We will have to see how refined the image is.
 
typically the smaller sensor cameras are helped out by the insanely fast zoom lenses. For example this camera starts at f1.8 while many super zooms for DSLRs start at f4 or worse. That can help out a lot but on the long end this zoom falls to f4 which frankly defeats the purpose of having that long of a zoom. To shoot in large venues.
 
The sensors seems to be the same one as in the Sony AX53 so may be a guide as to low light performance. Slightly larger body and h265 makes the UHD 60 P possible compared to the UHD30P of the AX53.

EDIT : Interesting to compare to the Canon XF400 series with 1" sensors. About $500 more Canon's. Less buttons etc on the Canons though for direct manual control.
 
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Panasonic Representative at YouTube talks about low light, Basically say that recording at 1080 since is 4K downscaled the noise get deminished

 
They look like quite an offering in a small package. I like how they still use the same batteries that the DVX200 and HC-X1 and UX180 use. Panasonic just cleverly angled it 45 degrees down so it effectively fits in the bottom. This is good news for those using the other cameras since they can share long run time batteries and not have to invest in another battery system with different chargers.

This sounds good but can someone explain it to me? I am curious about the ease of use of using these to live stream:
All three cameras offer live-streaming support via Wi-Fi, but only the CX10 is network-ready via built-in support for NewTek’s NDI HX streaming protocol, including NDI camera control, although a separate NDI license is required. The CX10 also comes with a USB-to-LAN adapter for a wired connection.
 
Felipe Henao said:
Panasonic Representative at YouTube talks about low light, Basically say that recording at 1080 since is 4K downscaled the noise get deminished

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Wow the moire on the guys jacket is dancing like a cool special effect! I wonder what camera they are shooting the interview with (Sony X70 the interviewer mentioned?) ?

So he says the new Panasonic trio compared to the DMC FZ2500 the low light difference is negligible. I have the 1" FZ2500 and the low light without gain is not good at all. Of course it is a 20MP sensor though. My HMC150 smokes it by far without gain. However with significant gain it does pretty well and still looks good as long as you don't gain it too much. So these new little cams may be pretty usable indoors. And with the built-in light may be usable at weddings without having to attach a light and battery like we do our other cameras.
 
Truly would make for a very appealing camera, especially with a nice, fast, constant lens.
 
firehawk said:
They look like quite an offering in a small package. I like how they still use the same batteries that the DVX200 and HC-X1 and UX180 use. Panasonic just cleverly angled it 45 degrees down so it effectively fits in the bottom. This is good news for those using the other cameras since they can share long run time batteries and not have to invest in another battery system with different chargers.

This sounds good but can someone explain it to me? I am curious about the ease of use of using these to live stream:
All three cameras offer live-streaming support via Wi-Fi, but only the CX10 is network-ready via built-in support for NewTek’s NDI HX streaming protocol, including NDI camera control, although a separate NDI license is required. The CX10 also comes with a USB-to-LAN adapter for a wired connection.
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There are three ways to get the video signal on the internet:

Wifi - This would be through a hotspot or Wifi router. The camera broadcasts the signal and you pick it up with an internet connected device like another phone or a router. This can also be used for camera control via their app.

Ethernet Port - The camera has a network address that you can input to a computer or router and the video signal will be sent directly to you. So it acts like a computer on your network at this point.

NDI - This is an extension of the ethernet port connectivity but with special protocols that are standardized over the streaming world by the company Newtek. This is a truly plug and play solution and also offers camera control. The license costs $300 and will work with any NDI enabled device.

I have tried to play around with the ethernet port on my CX350 after watching Barry's videos. I do not have the NDI license but wanted to see how easy it was to hook up to my home router. I tried all of the methods and failed. I hate networking as when it does not work it is difficult to troubleshoot. It was close but did not work. :( So purchased a Blackmagic Atem Mini for the same $300 that the one NDI license costs. No need to troubleshoot HDMI on jobs!
 
I think I will wait for a more controlled test. The cameras was clearly in auto most of the time so could well be improved with some more control. Faces were over exposed and saturated so not sure what picture profile was used either. However the sensor is likely the same one as in my Sony AX53 which is OK but no match for the AX100 or the GH5 or GH5S I have for indoor shooting. The AX53 is my go to camera for family events and general shooting though for its zoom range and image stabilizer. The HC-X1500 would be a good competitor with maybe better performance and worth a look when they come out. With good light I think these will work very well.
 
Thanks for the link. That footage actually looks quite nice on my 1080p monitor. Maybe it is the lack of super detail but the images have a nice feel to them. the landscape shots looked kind of filmic imho. The noise/light gathering will be a huge determinant of if the camera is an all around event tool.
 
Will be interesting to see how it compares to my AX53 which looks to have the same size sensor. Simple comparison of pixel size for those interested. 8M 1/2.5 sensor about 1.74microns, 20M 1" sensor about 2.4 microns, 20M MFT sensor about 3.3 and 10M like the GH5S 4.7microns. The other thing to take into consideration is speed of lenses that for this wide open is 1.8. Fastest lens I own for my GH5's is 2.8 . So I think it will depend very much on light conditions as to how these perform just like my AX53. They will not be close to the GH5S or an APSC camera but why would one expect that at a fraction of the cost.
 
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