NEW - Nikon Df throwback dslr's

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These, with good video would make great dslr's for overseas documentaries, as they look old, and are less desirable and less likely to be stolen:

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At a first glance, I liked the look, but I still prefer the classic F's. These look like bad make up models of the originals, but I like the direction these are going. Seems to have the D4 sensor inside.
 
For me, I like the looks of the new OMD-1 and the A7R better.
I'm not sure what Nikon had in mind with this camera.
I mean outside of the bad retro look what does this camera do that could not be done with "the unpure" 7100, 610, 800 or D4? Dials???

Sometimes I get the feeling Nikon is lost...
 
Just seems to be some oddball "fashion" choice to me... prices are like $2700, flagship level.

I have a very nice Nikon F christmas tree ornament, carved & painted wood, about 3" wide - these kind of remind me of that.
 
Michael Carter said:
Just seems to be some oddball "fashion" choice to me... prices are like $2700, flagship level.

I have a very nice Nikon F christmas tree ornament, carved & painted wood, about 3" wide - these kind of remind me of that.
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+1 It looks so much like the toy mockups of the old f100's.
 
mcgeedigital said:
I like it and like that it has hard controls to change some of the most used functions.
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That is true. I do like that, but at that price, that is not uncommon. Though definitely more retro. I still prefer the one hand operations, and having that info visible in the EVF.

I will say after seeing a couple more pics, seems the "retro toy" look, is a result in part by how small they tried to make.

Glad they made it just for the stills people. no video. no issues.
 
I agree, I think Nikon is lost and just flailing at this point. I mean who is going to buy this? It's not even for hipsters, at least hipsters have the conviction to use old stuff, this is for FAKE hipsters! They put an old sensor, old focusing system, NO VIDEO, crappy fps and then give it LESS than half the megapixels of the D800 and expect people to pay MORE for this than a D800? A person would have to be *out of their mind* to choose this over the D800.

Supposedly, it's very lightweight too, so it won't even have the same FEEL as the old cameras (which were heavy). If I wanted something to *feel* like an older camera, weight would be a big part of that.

I think it will be a flop. With camera sales down across the board by 25-30%, Nikon really shouldn't be laying eggs right now. What they need to do is create something that would steal the video market from Canon. Perhaps a cinema camera. The world is moving toward video and away from still images, so Nikon goes and makes a camera that doesn't do video AT ALL? Huh? It's lunacy. It's like they're purposefully shooting themselves in the foot.

If Nikon would produce a camera that would do RAW video, I would go buy it TODAY. I don't think I would be the only one, either. This is the kind of stuff they should be focusing on, not more hipster nonsense. :\
 
Michael Carter said:
Just seems to be some oddball "fashion" choice to me... prices are like $2700, flagship level.

I have a very nice Nikon F christmas tree ornament, carved & painted wood, about 3" wide - these kind of remind me of that.
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Absolutely nailed it. I have as much respect for the DF as I do the Lunar.
 
Well, I have a bit more respect for this one. If it's the same sensor from the D4, that's flagship IQ on a high-end body with reduced functionality (AF and video). Many photogs have been asking for this for years. Let's see if they put their money where their mouth is, or go for the similarly-priced D800 instead. I'm betting they're a small minority and this will be a niche, fashion model.
 
If Nikon can make money selling this, then good for them. And that, in turn, is probably good for us. A Nikon losing money isn't going to benefit anyone.
 
While I agree with what you are saying, it is up to Nikon to bring tools to the market that address the needs of the market.
Frankly I think the way this camera is marketed is all about style.

Okay, it has the sensor from the D4 in a retro 600/610 body but what really makes the D4 a great camera is the speed and build. Yes the D4's DR and low light are great but without pixel peeping I doubt anyone would see it vs other midrandge or pro cameras.

I don't think anyone wants to see Nikon fail but Nikon really needs to bring better tools to the table for that not to happen.
If this does not sell it's not because of what we say on the internet.
 
baronmax said:
I agree, I think Nikon is lost and just flailing at this point.
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I dunno... the D7100 is kinda blowing me away. Between stills sharpness, video quality, and the price... they knocked it (if not out at the park) deep into the outfield.

The DSLR forums constantly fill up with threads regarding how screwed up Canon and Nikon are for video AF, video codecs, video this, video that, and "they'd better start listening or they'll be out of business". I get the feeling DSLR video isn't a huge part of their bottom line - not nearly as much as DSLR video shooters assume it must be.

Nikon could have made a cinema camera by now. Canon could have made an affordable cinema camera by now. Ben waiting since the D90 started this whole thing. Still waiting. Meanwhile, the BMC is a pretty damn good camera for $2k.
 
I think this camera is more focused on taking on other "retro-cameras" like fujifilms X-Pro1 than Sonys new A7/R. Even though the Sony cameras resemble the Df more in some ways I think Nikons main focus has been to offer something that becomes the new IQ-king in retro-styled cameras. The X-Pro1 had great low-light performance and that might be why they used the D4 sensor. The A7R is sitting just where Sony has been sitting many times, having the best specs for the best price but still not taking over the market.

While the A7R seems impressive, 36mp really feels like a better idea on a D800-styled dslr than on a more compact camera. I think Nikon made the right choice bringing the 16mp very sensitive D4 sensor to the Df. For someone whos used both the D800 and the D4 I can tell you that even though the D800 is really great on the paper getting details in high iso due to the 36mp sensor, it really is a different matter trying to get sharp images in low light with a 36mp sensor compared to the D4 16mp sensor. It also helps to have clean ISO 4000 images on the D4.
 
I think Nikon noticed the success of the Fuji X100 and decided that pure photographers would appreciate a body with the D4 sensor and old school controls. I'm betting that this will be a hit.
 
We are headed into a new age of manufacturing where small run niche products like this new Nikon are both easy and profitable to make. As someone pointed out these are just an assembly of parts out of the corporate bin in a boutique collector body. They don't have to sell thousands for it to be successful.

The way 3d printing technologies are going these days it might not be too many years before you can order a custom camera with the guts, features, body style, and controls just like you want them from a menu.
 
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