New Final Cut Pro Announcement at SuperMeet?

stabsteer said:
Who cares if it's colorful looking? Wow? Who cares?
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Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. *I* care. Style, properly done, aids content and function. It builds heuristic connections. It's not perfect, but taking a closer look at the new interface, the color choices immediately snapped my attention to content. Little things, like the waveform clipping functions in the timeline, are IMMENSELY useful without having spent minute one with the software.

Sure, FCP works, but it works mainly because 1) we've learned to forgive its bugs, and 2) we've simply gotten used to it. But it's old, it LOOKS old. I'm a filmmaker in 2011 and I'm tired of making excuses for an interface that was state of the art for 1999. Design matters. Adobe realizes that - that's why they've got a great looking product now, which bears little resemblance to the product I was using from them way back in, oh, 2001. And Apple's getting that as well.

This stuff matters. Not as much as stability and speed, of course, but our modern interfaces should have as much care and thought put into them as, say, the typesetting of a book. We're past the point where things should look cobbled together because that's the only way to access functionality. Things should look as sharp as they work. I want stability, AND speed, AND design. I want it all.

Now, if that style gets in the way, that's one thing. But I see a lot of people attacking the fact that Apple's decided to stretch and attempt to embrace a modern sensibility. I don't know if it'll all work yet. But I applaud Apple taking the harder road.
 
Here are links two some bootlegged and very good video and audio of the presentation:

FCP X prezo part 1:http://vimeo.com/22329493 part 2:http://vimeo.com/22341718

I would start with part two which is an actual demonstration.

It appears that Color has been folded into the interface as well as SoundTrack Pro in part.

I occasionally edit sports highlights, and having a way to catalog by keywords of specific sections of clips is very helpful.

But watch the demo that Ubillos provides.

As to the interface - it's fine with me. I don't care too much about that, but I do care how it help the editor rather than creates obstacles.
 
DimitriL said:
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. *I* care. Style, properly done, aids content and function. It builds heuristic connections. It's not perfect, but taking a closer look at the new interface, the color choices immediately snapped my attention to content. Little things, like the waveform clipping functions in the timeline, are IMMENSELY useful without having spent minute one with the software.
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+1
... although I think that style facilitates a heuristic approach to a given "thing" rather than building connections.
 
zeke said:
Coming from a Vegas perspedtive. This has a lot of features we have, but more refined in some areas. I could see myself using this.
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If the timeline works the same way Vegas' does I think a lot of us will find a great new piece of software here. I *hate* how every time I press play in FCP and then try and do anything else the damn thing stops playback. WHY?

Personally (and I know a lot of people will disagree with me) I find a fluid, easy to use timeline (navigation, splitting, cutting, ripple edits for both audio and video) much more conducive to creative editing then having to go through a "trimmer" or other sort of precutting window before I get into the timeline.

I think this thing looks fantastic.
 
William_Robinette said:
Personally (and I know a lot of people will disagree with me) I find a fluid, easy to use timeline (navigation, splitting, cutting, ripple edits for both audio and video) much more conducive to creative editing then having to go through a "trimmer" or other sort of precutting window before I get into the timeline.
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+1,000,000
 
DimitriL said:
Stable? FCP's ten year old codebase has been patched together so many times that it's, like, oh, what's the opposite of stable? I'm kind of tired of trashing my app preferences file once a week.

This upgrade is worth it just for actual stability and delightful things like getting to use all my RAM. I like FCP7, it's my workhorse, but great honk, I want to take advantage of my modern computer's power just a LITTLE bit. :)
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Sucks to be you, then. My FCP 7 almost never crashes. I can't remember the last time I had a problem. And I use it every damn day. Granted, maybe I don't tax it too much. Most of my projects are in the 3 minute range and light on plugins. But I've left the thing on for days.
 
Batutta said:
Sucks to be you, then. My FCP 7 almost never crashes. I can't remember the last time I had a problem. And I use it every damn day. Granted, maybe I don't tax it too much. Most of my projects are in the 3 minute range and light on plugins. But I've left the thing on for days.
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For something that is three minutes long it was fine, but try a feature on it. It will crash from time to time. Soundtrack Pro was probably the most buggy of them all.
 
Starshine Video said:
AudioKarma.org look around there and get back to us.
Vinyl Records, Reel-to-Reel and Cassettes are not dead. Tower records and virgin megastores were dead before iTunes, places like Amazon killed them off. Their is a REALLY big world of music appreciation out there and the largest majority of it is not satisfied with low bit rate MP3 and AAC files. Don't get me wrong, MOST music is now sold in this way but that doesn't mean that ALL music is sold this way, and it is really turning a blind eye to the reality of things to think that CDs are dead.
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I've liked music on CD's for awhile. Other than portability, I was never big into MP3 music. I'd rather FLAC. However, lately I've re-discovered vinyl after getting a nice Numark turntable. The dynamic range and warmth of vinyl recordings are incredible, not to mention the physical package with artwork and liner notes. So that's mostly what I've been buying/collecting.

I love digital and analog, but for different reasons.

All that being said . . . good luck FCPX, but I'll stick with Avid Media Composer and see where that carries me. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
blackcat said:
For something that is three minutes long it was fine, but try a feature on it. It will crash from time to time. Soundtrack Pro was probably the most buggy of them all.
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Actually I did do a feature on it a year and a half ago. Again, had no issues. I have to use Avid for a project right now and the thing crashes on the hour. Hate it.
 
DimitriL said:
Sucks to be MOST FCP users, then. Blackcat's right. Short-form stuff is usually okay (and I do a lot of the work in your time range, too), but anything more complex blows up FCP with reliable abandon.
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I don't know maybe I'm lucky. I've done projects of all lengths and rarely have had a crash. If I do, it's usually a system issue, or corrupt media, not the software itself. That hasn't always been the case. I remember 4 and 5 being more buggy, but the last few versions have been solid.
 
Yea, the main reason for not using Premier back in the day was that it supposedly crashed even more than FCP. Obviously, that doesn't say anything about Premier today. I am watching the new Final Cut, and I will probably buy it for two reasons: 1. Any NLE freelance bid that I have ever won has been for FCP and 2. I have (or had) developed an established workflow with the suite.

Apple Color was an amazing program. I hope it is either available to us suite users through an upgrade path, or the full functionality of Color (primaries, secondaries, vignettes, advanced tracking, color effects, etc) is included in the new program. I don't want to see the audio mastering that we had in Soundtrack Pro to be lost. Yes, it was buggy and terrible to work with, but I don't really want to buy ProTools.
 
Batutta said:
I don't know maybe I'm lucky. I've done projects of all lengths and rarely have had a crash. If I do, it's usually a system issue, or corrupt media, not the software itself. That hasn't always been the case. I remember 4 and 5 being more buggy, but the last few versions have been solid.
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I'll say that I haven't had as many crashes as I did with 5 and 6. 7 was an improvement in many ways - not as many crashes, but still pretty regular. But Soundtrack is, agreed, the buggiest app in the suite. (I've had good luck with Motion for the most part, and Color is an absolute rock.)
 
after watching the demo video, i'm impressed. admittedly, i'm less pissed off about the imovie interface than i was before i saw it. actually seems pretty badass for conventional editing. and having color (sort of) built in is a major plus for most people who see the current color as a hard to understand, unusable app.

however, for what i do, mostly music videos, i don't like having audio married to my video or cluttering up my timeline. i only want the actual music track playing and nothing else. i don't want that track to move, ever. and i don't want any clip i place on the timeline to ripple anything else down the timeline. where's the viewer? the idea of just throwing a clip in the timeline with no in/out points and trimming it in place while everything around it ripples, won't work for me. or.... how about if i have a clip in the timeline of a guy singing and i want to replace it with some b-roll? as of now, i load the b-roll up in the viewer, find a good start point, and hit f11. done. with no viewer, i'm a little concerned that my workflow just got f**ked. i am basing all of this just on what i know now, which isn't much. hopefully apple thought this through and realized that there are multiple ways to edit and not everyone wants what i just saw. i'm keeping my fingers crossed on this.

regarding color integrated. as i said, for most editors, this couldn't be better. but how about serious colorists that have chosen color as their platform (some using it since it was final touch). what do they do now? maybe the tools are in place but a lot of the interface is not. will these features work with a panel? building a library of stills and having access to recall and compare them with later shots is essential for keeping color continuity across a long timeline. color has this, does final cut? being able to save grades for later recall. being able to have multiple versions of a grade on each clip so you don't lose what you have when experimenting. these color-like features may be awesome but can you use them at the speed that you can in color or any other competing cc app? a client isn't going to pay you $100/hour to fumble around with the mouse and have to roll through menus to find comparison shots. as a working colorist, i'd be pretty pissed right now if color was still my bread and butter. thankfully i'm davinci now and all is good on that front.

maybe i'm wrong and maybe the other apps will be updated and available for purchase. if not, apple just dropped a huge bomb on a lot of working businesses. businesses that will be looking at other options now...
 
blackcat said:
Apple Color was an amazing program. I hope it is either available to us suite users through an upgrade path, or the full functionality of Color (primaries, secondaries, vignettes, advanced tracking, color effects, etc) is included in the new program. I don't want to see the audio mastering that we had in Soundtrack Pro to be lost. Yes, it was buggy and terrible to work with, but I don't really want to buy ProTools.
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Me too (and I was just raving about Color myself as you posted your note). I was encouraged to see quotes turning up all over the place today about more information coming re: the rest of the suite. I love having more functionality in FCP as I don't treasure round-tripping - secondaries and audio noise reduction! - but I don't want to give up the power of Color, especially. I frigging LOVE that program.


cheezweezl said:
maybe i'm wrong and maybe the other apps will be updated and available for purchase. if not, apple just dropped a huge bomb on a lot of working businesses. businesses that will be looking at other options now...
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Apple execs were quoted several times today as saying that more info was coming about the rest of the suite, and last night was just meant as a sneak peek at FCP itself.
 
By the way, what happens to all those FCP Boxes still sitting on shelfs in the shops?

Devaluation? Prices in free fall? Who would still buy a FCPPro now?

Frank
 
Yes, if we don't have to round trip anymore great. Cheezweezi is right about it from a professional colorist perspective. I am not a true colorist; I don't freelance as a colorist exactly. I do color for my indie film work though. If we don't have to round trip to Soundtrack Pro though, what about all of the logic effects--dynamic compressors, EQ, etc? I am thinking about buying Logic soon, but that is just for my indie film work. I was going to wait out the next version. I will need to do post for sound on some stuff before then. Sure, I have freelanced as an editor where there was someone who did sound, someone who did design, someone who did graphics, etc. I also do a bit of one stop shop stuff too, which I had to learn as an indie filmmaker.
 
blackcat said:
Yes, if we don't have to round trip anymore great. Cheezweezi is right about it from a professional colorist perspective. I am not a true colorist; I don't freelance as a colorist exactly. I do color for my indie film work though. If we don't have to round trip to Soundtrack Pro though, what about all of the logic effects--dynamic compressors, EQ, etc? I am thinking about buying Logic soon, but that is just for my indie film work. I was going to wait out the next version. I will need to do post for sound on some stuff before then. Sure, I have freelanced as an editor where there was someone who did sound, someone who did design, someone who did graphics, etc. I also do a bit of one stop shop stuff too, which I had to learn as an indie filmmaker.
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I think we may get the best of both worlds. FCPX will be able to handle a lot of the grunt work - like, audiowise, killing off pops, clicks, hum, rumble even during the ingest process - but being able to send to STX for finesse and complexity. That would be a good rebalancing of the suite, I think.
 
dustylense said:
LOL, i don't think Apple is remotely concerned with Adobe sales. At $299, even if you have the BEST NLE, are you going to buy this at that price point? Apple doesn't say, "If you have AVID, Premiere, Vegas, we will not allow you to buy the product". Watch the video: http://vimeo.com/22341718
At $299 are you going to pass? I'll bet no. you might buy it and still prefer Premiere. But guess what, Apple still got you to buy it. Genius sales them folks at Apple.
By the way, in that video, looks to me that was done in an Imac. Imagine FCPX on a 17 MBP with thunderbolt. Or when thunderbolt is on an Imac. Editing stations will be with you everywhere you want them to go.
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I'm not arguing with that. All I'm saying is that people who buy Adobe products, tend to buy the whole suite...not just Premiere.
 
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