New Features Coming To FCP X

KyleProhaska said:
No, not for the timeline you can't. You can export to a different format though.
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Actually you CAN change the render format. From the Project Library, highlight a project, in the Inspector pane, Properties tab, bottom right is a button that has a wrench icon. Click that, you get the projects settings, and can set to render in: ProRes 422, ProRes 422 (HQ), ProRes 4444, Uncompressed 10-bit.

In a Compound Clip you can only set it to render in one of those specific formats when it's created, not afterward.

Yes, you can turn off background rendering in the Preferences.

QT .MOV files are in fact a widely accepted industry format. Many broadcast stations require full rez QT files for submission of HD products now. Locally most all TV stations allow digital file delivery but only in .MOV, as does public broadcasting.

Yep, Vegas had a version of Skimming, but they got it from somewhere else, too. FCP X hasn't really borrowed much of anything else outside of legacy Final Cut Studio and Final Cut Server.

Very much looking forward to seeing XML evolve more. Remember that Apple's Mr. Townhill stated there's a 10 year development plan for FCP X.
 
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Thanks- informative post.
Again- I did not say that MOV is bad or wrong etc- I said that some formats have their "proper" wrappers, but Apple puts everything into MOV and this is causing problems.

XML is great.
 
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kolak said:
...but Apple puts everything into MOV and this is causing problems.
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Specifically what problems? This is exactly what WMV does, too. Both are widely used in the industry. I'm not personally aware of any problems these cause.
 
Well- try to use AVC-I, XDCAM HD in MOV on Windows :) They have their own "proper" wrappers and this is not MOV :)
Anyway- going out of topic.
 
kolak said:
Well- try to use AVC-I, XDCAM HD in MOV on Windows :) They have their own "proper" wrappers and this is not MOV :)
Anyway- going out of topic.
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Try using AVCHD and XDCAM on a Mac without MOV or WAV wraappers, same thing. Proves my point.

So, what does MOV or WAV specific wrappers do that proves to be a problem, I'm still waiting for that answer.
 
Well- if you have issue using MXF in FCPX than ask Apple about it.
All other NLEs read/write codecs in their native wrappers, only Apple requires MOV for everything. I don't have to prove anything as it's fact.

AVC-I "native" wrapper is MXF- ask Apple to support it on import and export- good luck with it :)
 
Gentlemen:

Take the discussion of .mov wrappers to either private message, email or your own thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.
 
BenB said:
Actually you CAN change the render format. From the Project Library, highlight a project, in the Inspector pane, Properties tab, bottom right is a button that has a wrench icon. Click that, you get the projects settings, and can set to render in: ProRes 422, ProRes 422 (HQ), ProRes 4444, Uncompressed 10-bit.

In a Compound Clip you can only set it to render in one of those specific formats when it's created, not afterward.

Yes, you can turn off background rendering in the Preferences.

QT .MOV files are in fact a widely accepted industry format. Many broadcast stations require full rez QT files for submission of HD products now. Locally most all TV stations allow digital file delivery but only in .MOV, as does public broadcasting.

Yep, Vegas had a version of Skimming, but they got it from somewhere else, too. FCP X hasn't really borrowed much of anything else outside of legacy Final Cut Studio and Final Cut Server.

Very much looking forward to seeing XML evolve more. Remember that Apple's Mr. Townhill stated there's a 10 year development plan for FCP X.
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Thanks for the correction, good to know!
 
I'm expecting our next update to be around next months 1st year anniversary. Should be interesting to see what comes out.
 
Yea we'll see where things end up. I highly recommend people look up the lectures given by Evan Schechtman concerning FCPX. Here's the highlight reel for one of them...which is as entertaining as it is informative lol.

 
Realtime effects- cool, but some NLEs support this for last 5 years already.
With whole respect- FCPX does not prove its greatness (it's not bad neither), but how outdated FCP7 was/is.
There are some nice things in FCPX, but nothing that special.
 
kolak said:
Realtime effects- cool, but some NLEs support this for last 5 years already.
With whole respect- FCPX does not prove its greatness (it's not bad neither), but how outdated FCP7 was/is.
There are some nice things in FCPX, but nothing that special.
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Yet we see Adobe already 'skimming' the skimmer from FCX.

Who else offers all this editing capability (including color grading with nearly infinite secondaries) for $299? :smile:

best,
-Greg
 
FCPX is cheap, but runs only on expensive MACs, so at the end you pay the same.
If you can afford to buy MAC products it means you can afford to pay even 300$ more (over FCPX) for NLE.
If you do proper projects than you need HDMI/SDI monitoring and than NLEs are in most cases added for free on top of card price.
 
Macs have a higher upfront puchase price, but they don't become outdated as quickly, so you're really just paying the equivalent of what you otherwise would have had to pay in multiple Windoze systems to cover their functional lifespan.

Probably less.


EDIT: Regardless, software that IS cross-platform (such as the Adobe suite) is the same price on both systems. They don't discount the software just because you get the Mac version rather than a Windows version, so it's still a fair comparison.
 
Oops, missed what I originally wanted to post about.

Apple stated early on that some of the FCPX updates will be free and some will need to be paid for.

I was wondering too how they would handle that under the app store model, but I'm sure they have something in mind.
 
fde101 said:
Macs have a higher upfront puchase price, but they don't become outdated as quickly, so you're really just paying the equivalent of what you otherwise would have had to pay in multiple Windoze systems to cover their functional lifespan.

Probably less.


EDIT: Regardless, software that IS cross-platform (such as the Adobe suite) is the same price on both systems. They don't discount the software just because you get the Mac version rather than a Windows version, so it's still a fair comparison.
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They get outdated as quickly as PCs- it's the same hardware- same processors, same monitor panels etc
They were just one generation ahead compared to PCs (so in this sense they could last longer), but this is not the case anymore.
MACs keep value way better than PCs (which makes no sense, as hardware gets as quickly outdated as PCs).
 
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As far as I know..and I might be wrong back when Apple were still using Power PCchips Intel approached Microsoft saying "hey we have a brand new design for a motherboard with a new much improved. Microsoft declined the proposal as it meant there would be no backwards compatibility. Then Apple made its move to Intel and bought this new motherboard from Intel. And thats what the Macs run on. the hardware is not identical PC's use BIOS -- MAC's use EFI
 
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I have MAC's that I have handed down to family members that are 7,8,9 even 10 years old that still run pretty darn well. I've never had a MAC die on me. I've never had a virus. I've never had my MAC serviced by anyone for any reason. I've had maybe 15 MACs and they always performed.
I've built 4 PC's and bought 3. THey all died. I remember buying a really nice DELL system. Within 3 weeks the thing was in the shop for a complete over haul. I now own ZERO PC's and I'm not interested in ever buying one again. I'll use Bootcamp if I need a PC on a baseline Imac.
I know I can build a PC that can out perform my MAC in benchmarks. It would cost nearly the same as a MAC when done. But 3 or 4 weeks into the system, I know it would have diagnostic problems.

Old saying, "you get what you pay for".
With my MBP 17 and thunderbolt devices, I'm blazing though all sorts of projects. Let's see what Apple has coming here shortly with the Ivy Bridge processors.
 
dustylense said:
I have MAC's that I have handed down to family members that are 7,8,9 even 10 years old that still run pretty darn well. I've never had a MAC die on me. I've never had a virus. I've never had my MAC serviced by anyone for any reason. I've had maybe 15 MACs and they always performed.
I've built 4 PC's and bought 3. THey all died. I remember buying a really nice DELL system. Within 3 weeks the thing was in the shop for a complete over haul. I now own ZERO PC's and I'm not interested in ever buying one again. I'll use Bootcamp if I need a PC on a baseline Imac.
I know I can build a PC that can out perform my MAC in benchmarks. It would cost nearly the same as a MAC when done. But 3 or 4 weeks into the system, I know it would have diagnostic problems.

Old saying, "you get what you pay for".
With my MBP 17 and thunderbolt devices, I'm blazing though all sorts of projects. Let's see what Apple has coming here shortly with the Ivy Bridge processors.
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YEs- old MACs where more solid but this is PAST. My PC, which I bough as a student is still in my parents house and working- this is about 10 years. This is not they case for other PCs, but at the time PCs were half of MACs price, so no magic :)
New MACs are not that good anymore, gap is almost gone and next year or 2 and there won't be any.
No virus?- also not the case anymore- not long time ago when MACs users were all panicking :)

This what you saying is true, but it describes past- things are different now- MAC hardware is not as solid as it use to be- it's the same hardware as used in some PCs.
Current MAC laptops have not much to offer (except OS). Like Thunderbolt port- but it's coming to PC also. You had it for long time, but it was useless as nothing else was using it. Next year will show if they can stay on top of PCs. MACs PRO have 0 advantage over current PC workstations -actually they are already old and outperformed by PCs- and you have 50/50 that there won't be any new ones.

Shiny MAC AIR is already "taken" by new Samsung 9 2nd generation series, which is amazing and fresh. AIRs are bit boring now and loose in screen quality. We need new ones.
Apple strongest point is OS, but recently they also started focusing to much on hardware and loosing their biggest advantage- Win 7 performs absolutely fine- still not as user friendly as MAC OS, but Win 8 is coming, so lets wait and see :)
Apple's best times are about to be over (if are not already over).
And no-I don't want it to happen as competition is very good thing and we need someone to be the first :)

btw... don't buy Dell workstations- this is crap :)
 
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kolak said:
YEs- old MACs where more solid but this is PAST. My PC, which I bough as a student is still in my parents house and working- this is about 10 years. This is not they case for other PCs, but at the time PCs were half of MACs price, so no magic :)
New MACs are not that good anymore, gap is almost gone and next year or 2 and there won't be any.
No virus?- also not the case anymore- not long time ago when MACs users were all panicking :)

This what you saying is true, but it describes past- things are different now- MAC hardware is not as solid as it use to be- it's the same hardware as used in some PCs.
Current MAC laptops have not much to offer (except OS). Like Thunderbolt port- but it's coming to PC also. You had it for long time, but it was useless as nothing else was using it. Next year will show if they can stay on top of PCs. MACs PRO have 0 advantage over current PC workstations -actually they are already old and outperformed by PCs- and you have 50/50 that there won't be any new ones.

Shiny MAC AIR is already "taken" by new Samsung 9 2nd generation series, which is amazing and fresh. AIRs are bit boring now and loose in screen quality. We need new ones.
Apple strongest point is OS, but recently they also started focusing to much on hardware and loosing their biggest advantage- Win 7 performs absolutely fine- still not as user friendly as MAC OS, but Win 8 is coming, so lets wait and see :)
Apple's best times are about to be over (if are not already over).
And no-I don't want it to happen as competition is very good thing and we need someone to be the first :)

btw... don't buy Dell workstations- this is crap :)
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Take that 10 year old PC and load windows 7 on it and try to play a video game released in the last year. In fact, have your parents do it. You will be getting the phone call saying "why won't this OS and game load". Take a 5 year old PC and do the same. Have fun...
 
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