new ex type model

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per the post earlier on the forum regarding a possible shoulder mount along ex specs, talked to a sony rep today, they wouldnt say alot, but the impression i got was that sony is listening. its most likely going to be a 1/2 inch SM cam.
i guess we will find out on the 5th, when the announcement hits the trade mags.
 
A (relatively) small shoulder mount (less than PMW 350- maybe a bit bigger than the EX3) with 2/3 inch sensors would really be nice. Anyone else see the need for sensors of this size in a smaller camera?
 
planetweckesser said:
A (relatively) small shoulder mount (less than PMW 350- maybe a bit bigger than the EX3) with 2/3 inch sensors would really be nice. Anyone else see the need for sensors of this size in a smaller camera?
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It would be great. but probably doubtful. I think it would be hard for Sony to get a 2/3" chip into a much smaller camera. Most of the reason for a larger body camera with 2/3" chips is to help displace heat from the chips. Not to mention the fact that why would Sony eat into the 350 market.

I'll be happy with just a shoulder mount.
 
It could be a direct competitor to the upcoming Panasonic HPX370, with a similar under 10K street price.
 
overheard a sony rep/ l. kroson, mentioning the new cam to someone at a show. im sure its supposed to be hush hush
 
I'd be more than happy with 1/2" if it kept the price reasonable and size down, and remained full rastor. 2/3" would proabably take half decent glass out of my reach...

Perhaps they could have a new sensor with -R enhancements
 
We will all be watching.

For myself, I really like the EX-1, but I will not buy another CMOS camera until we can get the skew/jello thing under control.

In my mind, these cameras do not replace CCDs, they are just a really sharp alternative until they address these concerns. Then the market will have no reasons to use CCD anymore. No breath holding here though!
 
It really does seem to depend on your shooting requirements. Rolling shutter really doesn't worry me for my work, home users (wedding) are not so picky about flash strobe issues and are more likely to be seeing this in their own cameras now anyway so more forgiving it in ours. I shoot sports but never feel there is any skew that you would notice. Sure it will be good when they eliminate it, but it won't stop me from buying a new CMOS camera. What would is the lack of money in the bank...
 
I may be pixel peeping too much but when I recently tested my EX-1 for sports shooting I was shocked when I got the footage in my editor.

Granted, I was just moving the camera and not tracking anybody but the comparison to a CCD camera was almost comical with just a medium speed pan. The whole screen going diagonal around the start and stop of the camera movement is there and is not something I want to invest in anymore.
 
I shoot a fair bit of Australian rules football and typically at full zoom, don't see any noticable skew. Not saying there isn't skew, but you don't notice it when watching the vision. People tend to watch the players and sport, not the background.
 
Well it bothers me along with the start and stop sharpening behavior. Overall I found I like the way CCD handles motion much better than CMOS.

Why should I lower my standards because Sony or Panny can't (or won't) get the tech right? These are video cameras after all, not resolution gathering machines. I feel motion should be a strong part of a video camera.

The EX-1 creates an amazing image when there is limited motion. When there is movement, my HMC-150 looks better during the motion.

I just hope they will address this with future models.
 
mmmm, I havn't noticed motion being a problem, what does it look like if you increase the shutter speed to say 1/500 or 1/1000? I always try to shoot sport with a higher shutter speed, even with my older CCD cameras otherwise the image went soft in movement due to natural motion blur (which has nothing to do with the sensor type really). For the same reason I wouldn't try to photograph sports using a 1/50 shutter speed
 
I will have to compare with higher shutter speeds. I kept all of the cameras at 1/60th to see how they acted in a normal video environment.

The CMOS was sharper at rest then lost a lost a lot of detail upon movement, then went back to sharp at the end of the movement.

The CCD was not as sharp as the CMOS at rest, but did not lose detail with movement.

The EX was being fed into a Nanoflash and the detail setting is quite low. I have read that turning detial off helps this but in my testing this did not have that large of an impact.

I enjoy the EX-1, but it still seems as if some kinks need to be ironed out. It seems like the CMOS chips are most comfortable in a static shot like a still camera, where these chips started.
 
According to the Sony Rep I talked to, the Trade magazines were going to get the info yesterday(the deadline for the latest issues). I don't think the public will find out anything until next Monday.
 
I spoke with a client today who is looking to get an EX1. When he spoke to his Sony distributor about the new EX camera, he confirmed the new camera but said it might not be available until September.
 
just realised NAB is on in the next few days, wouldn't suprise me if Sony announce it for NAB given the timing!
 
After seeing the HPX-370 and the new Canon, I think Sony could really take some names if they released a 1/2" shoulder mount version with some improvements in the skew area as well as a 4:2:2 optional upgrade.

The HPX-370 is listed over $11,000. That is quite a bit past the EX-3. If Sony could make this shoulder mount version for $9,000 with a $2,000 50mbps 4:2:2 upgrade the HPX-370 would be tough to justify.

Basically, they are the only company "going there" with 1/2" chips. It is kind of strange to see Sony as the value leader in the marketplace!
 
I could see them using the PMW-350 form facter, but 1/2" chips and everything else be the same. Would be less expensive than making an entirely new body. Make the mount work with all the available HDCAM HD Glass.
 
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