New D300s
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Oh, alright. So, the purpose of a manual lens was to be able to change the aperture while in Liveview instead of choosing an aperture before switching to Liveview?
Lammy
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and (applies to D90/D5000 only) to *change* the aperture. with FULLY auto lenses you can only be f*****d.
Well, what has been explained to me on this thread is that, just like the D300s with an auto-lens, you can choose an aperture on the D90 before switching to Liveview. Just like the D300s, if you need to change the aperture, you have to exit Liveview, change it, and switch back. I never understood that you can do that with an auto-lens on the D90.
Lammy
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If it's a fully auto lens like the kit lens (no aperture ring), then no! This doesn't happen! Whoever said whatever has simply got their terminology mixed up (exposure or aperture or lock or change or fully or semi etc etc)
Ruzo said:
You're correct, you can't. Or at least, I've NEVER been able to and I've had my D90 for a long time. My kit lens would always be stuck at F/3.5-5.6 for video in aperture priority mode and manual mode no matter what.
I think the confusion comes here in Kholi's Guide:
Kholi[FONT=Tahoma said:
I've highlighted in green and red what appears to be a contradictory statement. Unless I was a douche for an entire year and throughought all the dozens of projects I did on the D90, I didn't notice my lens was broken, haha.
Wow, it's getting more and more confusing to me. I don't have a D90 anymore so I can't test it.
Lammy
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It's not that confusing. I'll clarify for you:
No, the D300s in Tripod Mode can select the aperture for full auto lenses as can the D3S.
BradM is probably talking about lenses with an aperture ring in relation to the D90, and as I pointed out in my previous post - the confusion lies in seemingly contradictory statement in Kholi's discussion of auto lenses.
He's correct. Those are two seperate sentences, notice the enthasis on "change". You can only lock all settings.
Jim Klatt said:
No, the D300s in Tripod Mode can select the aperture for full auto lenses as can the D3S.
BradM said:
BradM is probably talking about lenses with an aperture ring in relation to the D90, and as I pointed out in my previous post - the confusion lies in seemingly contradictory statement in Kholi's discussion of auto lenses.
mattsand said:
He's correct. Those are two seperate sentences, notice the enthasis on "change". You can only lock all settings.
slimjimmed
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But what's the point if when you choose aperture, the iso and shutter speeds change automatically? Isn't the end result the same thing...no real control?
Lammy
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The end result isn't the same, because it's one more degree of control that is at your disposal and you can select your depth of field.
We've all made decent art on these things, and mastered the art of "pointing around like you're having an epileptic fit".
I dare say my locking technique to get 1/48 and ISO 400ish is usually always spot on and took just as much time as it would for me to dial in the numbers on Canon DSLR. The only gripe for the D90 is that the 24p, 1/48 does not agree with pal lighting...
...so what i do is i use manual lenses, close them one stop (or more if there's a lot of light), wave the camera around until i get a lock, then point at the subject and open or close the aperture for the correct exposure. after two weeks of shooting 20 hours per day you'll start to get a feel for how it works. ;-)
slimjimmed
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I see your point. But I can still select depth of field on the D90 with manual lenses, so to me it's a wash.
yes it does, although sometimes you think it has when it hasn't. i guess that's when you accidentally hit 1/30 or something, which is close enough and long enough to hide it, but not an even multiple so it's still there. i don't think the camera does 1/48, probably the same speeds as for stills.
I have no problem in saying I may and probably am wrong about the D300s as in 15 minutes it wasn't long to test but as far as the D90, well if you read correctly what I wrote, again...
Zim said
I responded with
Then you started off with stuff about auto lenses and finally I said
Again with more detail this time... with a Nikon 50mm f1.4 AF-D, the same lens I tried with the D300s for 15 minutes, I can set an aperture( only the aperture ) with my D90 in Aperture Mode with the aperture dial on the D90 and then enter Live View.
This can be proven by looking at the blades as you go into live view. Pretty simple to test, after which you cannot change the aperture or control "manually" the ISO or shutter used, only * lock *. The only way to change the aperture is to have manual rings and start off ( for example ) with f16 from the D90 aperture dial. Then enter live view and from there turn the ring manually so you get the blades opening up. What is strange is that with the aperture dial set to F16 ( max on the 50 1.4 ) the DOF/aperture preview button will get twice the stops visually closed as compared to live view which seems to max out and stop at f8, half as much closed. From f8 to f1.4 they match ...
Anyways, you can set the aperture like a said and that's it. What the camera does to counter act that as far as shutter, ISO and such is another matter :shocked:
As I said, I now have a D300s and not a D90 anymore so can't test anything. I just always thought that you can't choose a specific aperture on the D90 without an aperture ring. Between Lammy and you (current D90 owners), there is certainly a difference of opinion.