New Blackmagic Camera July 16th?
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Paul Jonathan
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Interesting find. Backordered in most places in EU as well, although there's a few websites that claim immediate delivery (although that might be incorrect..). This sensor (or a cut-down version) for a BMPCC4K would be instant order from me..
More than likely, supply line/manufacturing issues. Everyone stays home, nothing gets built.
John Brawley
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I think the Covid of it all has meant that the Pocket cameras in general have been in short supply as their sales spiked again as everyone started to realise they can be used for home studio / streaming setups.
The P4k has been in short supply since they announced it. Between ever increasing customer orders and some short supply in some components they just haven’t been able to keep up with demand even 2 years later!
I wouldn’t link shortage to a new model because it’s basically always been in short supply.
JB
John Brawley
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Also, this is a brand new sensor and it’s barely in people’s hands.
I think it will be a while till they bed this new sensor in. When starting up like this the unit costs are typically higher to. It makes sense to put it in a higher cost camera to help match the manufacturing volume which will be low to a camera that will sell in far lower numbers.
As they build the volume the sensor unit cost comes down and it becomes more viable to you use in lower priced cameras.
I don’t think that step is imminent.
JB
I think it will be a while till they bed this new sensor in. When starting up like this the unit costs are typically higher to. It makes sense to put it in a higher cost camera to help match the manufacturing volume which will be low to a camera that will sell in far lower numbers.
As they build the volume the sensor unit cost comes down and it becomes more viable to you use in lower priced cameras.
I don’t think that step is imminent.
JB
iain.bason
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I think you're absolutely correct, but it's also worth keeping in mind that they may be planning to "bin" sensors for use in a micro four thirds camera. (For example, if there's a pixel defect in a corner of the sensor that would render it unusable for a super-35 frame size, the sensor might still be able to be used for a smaller frame size.)
This is, of course, sheer speculation.
John Brawley
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I doubt they’d get enough sensor volume from rejected sensors for a lower sales volume camera to use in what would be a higher selling camera....
JB
I'm pretty sure this is due to high demand in the current environment. It's not just the Pocket Cinema Cameras that are back-ordered everywhere, a whole bunch of Blackmagic products are hard to find at the moment, including:
- Many of their ATEM live production switchers including the lower-priced ATEM Mini models, but also many of the higher-end 4K models.
- UltraStudio line of external Thunderbolt video capture devices.
- Web Presenter USB video capture device.
- HyperDeck Studio line of video recorders and playout devices.
What all of these things have in common is that they can be used for live streaming purposes or as part of multi-input live productions.
The Pocket Cinema Cameras in particular work very well with the ATEM Mini switchers (which is a very popular choice for live streaming) since it is possible to trigger internal recording on the camera or change the camera's settings (colors, exposure, etc.) remotely through the switcher. The URSA Mini Pro models and URSA Broadcast are in limited availability from a lot of retailers as well, and these can also be used as live production cameras in conjunction with the SDI-input Blackmagic switchers.
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That makes sense. It is a lovely camera. And not much else competes in the M43 world for image quality, imho.
swaneon
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Some more images with the Ursa Mini Pro 12K
Ursa Mini Pro 12: Twilight
Ursa Mini Pro 12K: Evening Light
Ursa Mini Pro 12K: Blue House + Candles
She's holding a cake + candles.
Ursa Mini Pro 12: Twilight
Ursa Mini Pro 12K: Evening Light
Ursa Mini Pro 12K: Blue House + Candles
She's holding a cake + candles.
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swaneon
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Loving it. I find the colors absolutely amazing to work with. They're deep and there's a ton of flexibility.
I'm loving the extra resolution. It's detailed in an organic way. Sometimes I'm finding that I've (so far) approached grading them as moving stills.
Thanks a lot Samuel!
swaneon
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Thanks!
I don't have an edit yet. It's really only the beach scenes that were shot as a video. The rest are really some lens combo tests/character tests. But will try and create something soon. Maybe just visuals.
swaneon
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Here is more footage with the Ursa Mini Pro 12K:
Some short clips from my lens/scenes test alongside some music + voice over.
It's mainly shot in 12K but with 2 or so in 8K (and one in 12K 2x anamorphic).
My experience so far has been great.
One of the first things I noticed was how dense the colors were and how flexible the files are. There's a lot of variations that you can end up in, and that's a great thing.
There were 3 frame rates used: 24fps | 33fps | 60fps
Vimeo
Youtube
https://youtu.be/PxG8vNwnZj0
Some short clips from my lens/scenes test alongside some music + voice over.
It's mainly shot in 12K but with 2 or so in 8K (and one in 12K 2x anamorphic).
My experience so far has been great.
One of the first things I noticed was how dense the colors were and how flexible the files are. There's a lot of variations that you can end up in, and that's a great thing.
There were 3 frame rates used: 24fps | 33fps | 60fps
Vimeo
Youtube
https://youtu.be/PxG8vNwnZj0
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ozmorphasis
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Dang, Note. Very nice! My comment is about your work AND the camera. Both very nice.
Would love to see more footage shot in less dramatic lighting conditions. Looking great so far.
Any comments about what it's been like working with the files?
Would love to see more footage shot in less dramatic lighting conditions. Looking great so far.
Any comments about what it's been like working with the files?
swaneon
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Thank you!
I'll keep that in mind for the next one.
The files are incredibly flexible. There's a massive amount of richness, and flexibility at your disposal. Working with the colors is something that stood out to me: It's just very dense and yet vey malleable. Some of the shoots above were not shot that dramatically but the final product is a lot different (a lot in some cases) and that's a great thing.
rob norton
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Looks amazing, great work!