C200: Nebula 5100 with C200

[cane141]

https://filmpower.us/products/nebula-5100-slant

If this gimbal holds an FS5 as it shows on the above link then surely it can hold a stripped down C200, has anyone been thinking about this combo?

I've been shooting a few projects with the A7s2 and the Ikan handheld gimbal and works rather well but would love to shoot c-log 3 or 2 so it compliments the C300 MKII better when trying to balance the grade in post. S-log and C-log is sometimes a bit tedious to match.

If this works well then I think my A7S2 will be up for sale.

 

[definitionxmk]

hmmm maybe. Just by looking at that photo though, I would think the EVF would get in the way. I was thinking of a Ronin with "Feet" would be best.

 

[puredrifting]

Have you used gimbals much Cane? I doubt this will be a great set up because of physiology. When you lift a weight, your body does mechanical work in overcoming the gravitational force. When the weight is stationary at arms length you no longer do any mechanical work but it's exponentialy more tiring. When the weight is moving (as you maneuver the gimbal), it is that much more tiring. In order to keep a muscle under tension it must be supplied by chemical energy, ATP or Adenosine-5'-triphosphate in chemical language. When the local supply of ATP runs short you start to feel fatigue. Now as to why it's more tiring to hold the weight farther away from your body, the torque, or torsional force, is proportional to the distance from the weight to the point of suspension, your body. More force means more ATP required, which makes the task more tiring.

A Sony 6300 on a Crane is one thing, but a camera like the C200/EVA 1/FS5, weighs approximately 4.3lbs/4.5lbs/4.9lbs with battery, card, small lens while the Nebula 5100 itself weighs almost two pounds not including batteries so you are at an aggregate total weight, depending on the lens you choose, of around 6.3 to 10lbs if you are using a bigger lens. It's simple, take an 8-10lb lead weight and hold it out from your body for extended periods of time. See how long you can do it without shaking, extreme muscle fatigue and sore back and shoulders. It won't be very long for the average person, although if you are a body builder and have an extremely developed back, shoulder and core muscles, or an accomplished Steadicam op, obviously longer. Not saying you can't use this setup, many will, but you have to be aware of the trade offs. I used to have a Steadicam DV with a small Mini DV camcorder, which was definitely lighter than these medium sized cameras and using it for 30-120 minutes on a shooting day (this was just a handle, no vest or arm) was painful, especially the next day. Now if someone develops a nice, affordable body mount vest like a Steadicam/Glidecam or if those existing vests and arms can be adapted to this setup, then it may become really interesting as a relatively affordable gimbal/Steadicam, which would be pretty cool. But holding 8-10lbs out from your body while trying to remain steady is more difficult than you would think.

 

[cane141]

Have you used gimbals much Cane? I doubt this will be a great set up because of physiology. When you lift a weight, your body does mechanical work in overcoming the gravitational force. When the weight is stationary at arms length you no longer do any mechanical work but it's exponentialy more tiring. When the weight is moving (as you maneuver the gimbal), it is that much more tiring. In order to keep a muscle under tension it must be supplied by chemical energy, ATP or Adenosine-5'-triphosphate in chemical language. When the local supply of ATP runs short you start to feel fatigue. Now as to why it's more tiring to hold the weight farther away from your body, the torque, or torsional force, is proportional to the distance from the weight to the point of suspension, your body. More force means more ATP required, which makes the task more tiring.

Oh, I've had my fair share of gimbals, first it was the heavy Ronin, then when the Move M5 came down in price I went with that for a bit but still cumbersome when shooting on my own.

Since the advent of the Z Crane and Ikan beholder gimbals etc I think it's been pretty usable and nice and quick setups but gripe now is the cameras and matching them with non gimbal stuff like C300 MKII or RED etc

Have you seen or heard of this?

shows the C200 on a handheld gimbal and looks pretty solid

Also this one

 

[puredrifting]

I'll check those out Cane, have not heard of them yet but the Chinese are kind of going nuts with gimbal technology, it seems like they introduce new models each week. In looking at the clips quickly though, same fundamental issue with both, you are free holding the weight away from your body. I know for me, I would be good, perhaps for 5 minutes at a time without getting shaky and fatigued. Same issue most of the handheld gimbals have. I think you need a vest and your back shoulder muscles no matter what, unless you are satisified with only being able to shoot for 5-10 minutes at a stretch and needing a long recovery period.

When I look at how I shoot BTS or on documentaries where I am handholding for 8-10 hours a day (on my shoulder), none of these solutions would be anything more than something I could use to grab an occasional shot and re-rigging between one of these and shoulder mount would be a PITA. So then you really need two camera bodies, one shoulder/tripod rigged and one gimbal rigged. That leads me back to I already have a Crane, I should just add a Fuji XT2 to the Crane, it is still super small and light and I can shoot quite a while with it before succumbing to fatigue and I don't have to keep snapping my A camera on and off of it. Also to me, the roving camera is mainly a gimmicky effect, it can look amazing in small doses but when all the camera does in a piece is roam, it loses all impact and gets really boring quickly. My tripods aren't being replaced by a gimbal anytime soon ;-) Just my .02 worth.