No, as stated AE has a much more detailed set of pulldown removal options including cadence. Open both and have a look.
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No, as stated AE has a much more detailed set of pulldown removal options including cadence. Open both and have a look.
hscully
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Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean the suite. I was wondering if anyone is using the cloud feature of CC, where you work with others and, ostensibly I guess, load video files somewhere where you can work on projects with others virtually.
adkimery
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Right, I follow now.
Ah, you mean Adobe Anywhere. I haven't worked with it but it's not 'the cloud' in the typical sense where you upload something to Google Docs, for example, and then everyone access Google to work on the document. You basically load everything onto a server at your facility and then let people outside your facility access it. Whomever is hosting the footage needs a very fast server, fast storage and a fat internet connect and the editors would need a fast connect too so everything can happens in real time. The footage is compressed on the fly by the server and then sent out over the Internet to the editor. The hardware requirements for the host aren't cheap, but neither is office space if, say, you are producing a TV series and you have 6 or 7 editors cutting at the same time. Avid has system like this too called Avid Interplay Sphere.
As hardware continues to get faster and cheaper I think we'll see Adobe Anywhere start to be used more but right now it's more of an enterprise level solution. CNN, for example, just announced it was transitioning to Adobe Creative Cloud and that Adobe Anywhere was a key part of that decision.
alaskacameradude
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This is one reason I think 'Creative Cloud' is a bit misleading. Adobe named it 'Creative Cloud' but really, it's just a new way to
pay (subscription based) and not some sort of new 'cloud based' technology or tools. At least for most of us that don't have
access to very fast servers, fast storage and a fat internet connection.
Scott F
Pug Life
Huh. Well, I'll have you know I put in a good 43 seconds of thought before pecking out a response on my iPhone.
And why do I have to be "the other guy"? My name is Scott!
William_Robinette
Shallow Member
I don't think there is any reason why Adobe should have to cater to weekend warriors and professionals the same way.
I've been on CC since it came out and have immensely benefited from the timely updates now possible through the system. And it's cheap - like 1/2 hour of edit work a month and it's paid off cheap. Hell, a tank of gas costs more than a CC subscription. I think it's pretty fantastic and it's been bullet-proof thus far. So add a +1 to the extremely pleased camp.
And you could probably add all of Adobe's stock holders to that group too, seeing as how it's soared since they introduced the system. Not really seeing how that's a bad business decision for Adobe.
adkimery
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Agreed that the CC name causes confusion. They do have some "cloud" features like storage similar to Dropbox/Google Drive as well as Behance (part video hosting site / part job board) and in the next update you can automatically save project backups to the cloud but Adobe does need to flesh out the cloud services side of the equation.
snowblindfilm
Carbonite Member
I am not disputing the features or the value of the platform, but simply I am against subscription pricing policy. Adobe as a company can implement any format they wish- it's their right. My right as a consumer is to show middle finger to such pricing policies. And don't try to convince me how great it is FOR YOU, as it doesn't work FOR ME.
alaskacameradude
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That is pretty much my stance too. And it's a shame cause I had just switched over from FCP 7 and
like CS6 quite a bit. But to be fair, I'm probably not one of the consumers Adobe wants. I tend to
skip upgrade cycles, which is exactly why they went to this new subscription only policy. So I guess
they would rather shed the 'dead weight' customers like me and move to only customers
that they can receive money from every month. I guess I understand it from their point of view,
but I don't like it and I'm certainly not going to give them any money. I have been pretty well
bombarded with emails asking me to sign up and even three different invitations to participate
in surveys about CC. Ha, I am pretty sure they are not going to like my answers.
Scott F
Pug Life
No doubt the naming is misleading. It's painful explaining the concept to the average real-world video dude who's two years behind the curve. "Huh? So you're editing in the cloud?"
I'm not pushing CC on anyone. It's not for everyone. Right now I'm lucky enough to be working for a shop that has it, and I can try it all out.
AE CC has Cinema 4D Lite. I don't know how to use it yet, but it's there. The latest Premiere is great, Media Encoder is great and these future upgrades seem awesome. :thumbsup:
Do what you want....this debate is not going to end any time soon.
EIREHotspur
Well-known member
I got CS2 Productions Suite, CS3 Master Collection, CS5 Master Collection and CS6 Master Collection
You are right...Adobe made no money from me.....Adobe in association with The International Red Cross done a Software Air Drop into my back garden along with essential food supplies.....oh no hang on....I actually paid Adobe for the software.
I have no idea how they can claim to you that the made no money from the likes of me????
You are right...Adobe made no money from me.....Adobe in association with The International Red Cross done a Software Air Drop into my back garden along with essential food supplies.....oh no hang on....I actually paid Adobe for the software.
I have no idea how they can claim to you that the made no money from the likes of me????
If pirates want it they will still get it just like before and they were not going to pay for it regardless of pricing.
Adobe's reason is about money. They want a more consistent and predictable intake by "forcing" a montly rate or users are left without use of their software. They have constant and more consistent monthly revenue and leverage on consumers. Pretty good spot for Adobe to be in. Not so great for the consumer who relies on their products.
I bought (WIN) (1) Premiere 5, (2) Production Bundle PPro 1.5/ audition/ Encore, (3) Creative Suite Production Premium (CS2), (4) After Effects CS4, (5) Production Premium CS5 , (6) Master Collection CS6
and (MAC) (7) Master Collection CS4
So I've been using Adobe products since the 90s.
To Adobe I am NOT the kind of customer they want because I skip years. Heck, I basically used CS2 and skipped to CS5. Not at all what they want.
Yet how much hard earned money have I given them? How many other people have bought Adobe products directly because I recommended them to!
Adobe's reason is about money. They want a more consistent and predictable intake by "forcing" a montly rate or users are left without use of their software. They have constant and more consistent monthly revenue and leverage on consumers. Pretty good spot for Adobe to be in. Not so great for the consumer who relies on their products.
I bought (WIN) (1) Premiere 5, (2) Production Bundle PPro 1.5/ audition/ Encore, (3) Creative Suite Production Premium (CS2), (4) After Effects CS4, (5) Production Premium CS5 , (6) Master Collection CS6
and (MAC) (7) Master Collection CS4
So I've been using Adobe products since the 90s.
To Adobe I am NOT the kind of customer they want because I skip years. Heck, I basically used CS2 and skipped to CS5. Not at all what they want.
Yet how much hard earned money have I given them? How many other people have bought Adobe products directly because I recommended them to!
hscully
Veteran
For me, it's the time and training on the software that will be the greatest loss to me. It's taken a long time and a lot of hours invested in learning the software. If I don't take the subscription, much of that time is lost and I will have to learn another set of tools so that's more of an investment. That and the plugins.
Yes. I've spent a significant amount of money on books/training and thousands of hours on learning/using. And *ouch* Yes. The plugins. Goodness I've spent a LOT on plugins!
What you said sums up why it's so difficult to move away after so much invested being a loyal customer for so many years.
hscully
Veteran
That and I like PP, AE and Audition. The alternatives I've explored aren't making it any easier. Smoke looks fantastic but is around $4K and I can't use a PC. Avid is great. It's not cheap with Symphony, not as easy to use, and the company is in disarray. I'm not sure I want to hitch my fortunes with them until the smoke clears. I have had Sony Vegas 8 and 9, and liked it, but it's a little weak in some of the advanced, AE, type functionality. It's still a viable option. In the meantime, I'll keep looking.
I can see a time, when I will subscribe because I will need to keep working and an upgrade I need, which is no longer available in CS6 becomes necessary.
I can see a time, when I will subscribe because I will need to keep working and an upgrade I need, which is no longer available in CS6 becomes necessary.
PegLeg Media
Well-known member
i agree with the people hating on CC. If you work every day it is worth it but FCPX is 300 bucks one time fee. If Adobe didn't want all the piracy they should just sell an affordable editing suite. Students would even buy it rather than ripping off older versions
Yep, and there are so many 3rd party developers creating FCPX goodies.
Apple needs to create a Photoshop like program.
And modify Motion so it is more like AE.
starcentral
Veteran
I agree too, and now that Davinci Resolve 11 plans to be a full blown NLE, now for sure Adobe will never get my money... ever. I had no issues paying $2000 for a full production suite, but forcing into ongoing payment is not going to happen.
I may start using it again. I wonder if they will open up for 3rd party plug-ins?