my parents dont see the difference between dslr video and camcorder video
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I think a lot of the issue is most of the people on these forums are looking for the film look. Not everyone wants that. Me included. My goal is to make the end product look as real as possible. Looking through a window on the events I shoot as if one is in the audience. Everything in deep focus, just like it would be if one was in the audience. I have just got a GH5 and will likely use counter to the way most of you will use. Use is to take a full stage view in the theatre at UHD60P and setup to get the whole stage front to back in sharp focus. Only reason I got the GH5 is for UHD 60P with a better sensor than my FDR-AX1 camcorder and a lot cheaper than getting a FS7. So far it is working beautifully though lacking some of the running displays I am used to with the Sony's.
Run&Gun
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Kind of apples-and-oranges. Film cameras were just boxes to hold the film and put a lens in front of it.
Just remember that it was those early cameras that led to the film distribution to projectors in cinemas that set the 24fps standard ( slowest film speed for reasonable optical sound and hence least film distribution cost ) and consequently 180 rule etc to mask judder that still exists today.
What's a "regular" camcorder?
What "180 rule" did you have in mind here?
I was referring to the shutter angle.
paulears
Veteran
It's all hype! Never the 'best' tool for the job, but the most appropriate. Personally I do not like the look of DSLR material for my types of use. I can appreciate the look, but I don't like it. I don't like not being able to zoom properly, I don't like not being able to look in a proper viewfinder, I don't like the awkwardness of holding them, I don't like the faffing about with extra items to make it usable, and I don't like cameras with pretty average audio.
I have a DSLR and use it ONLY for stills, and one of my traditional camcorders for video, on a proper head and tripod. Totally nothing wrong with DSLRs but I just do not like them.
I have a DSLR and use it ONLY for stills, and one of my traditional camcorders for video, on a proper head and tripod. Totally nothing wrong with DSLRs but I just do not like them.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Why does it matter whether your parents -- or any other specific persons -- are able to discern the difference or not?
It's a camcorder that eats a lot of fiber.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
I think it's just an example. Lots of "regular people" seem not to see the difference or care about it.
rsbush
Well-known member
It matters because some people get hung up on pictorial perfection, rather than whether they are communicating with their intended audience or not.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Which is my point. LOTS of people don't seem to see the difference or care about it. It doesn't matter whether the parents or anyone else can see the difference. What matters is whether or not they enjoy the story you are telling. They may not see the difference between a fresnel and an LED panel. They may not hear the difference between certain microphones. What does any of that matter? Do they like your film or don't they?
If they notice things like depth-of-focus, camera movement, lighting, etc. then you've taken them out of the narrative.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Quite true.
Agafilm
Active member
Of course they notice. They just don't know that they notice.
Have you ever seen a laser pointer on a screen? You probably have. Cat toys if nothing else. Lasers exhibit a certain interference pattern called a speckle pattern. It can be used in interferometry to detect minute surface distortions. It looks sort of like noise on the light. One really cool thing is that it's tied to your eyes, not the light source. So if you move your head around, the speckle pattern moves with you. How it moves can actually tell if you're near or far sighted. And you've probably never noticed it before, and will never notice it again when you see someone using a laser pointer. But if it weren't there, it wouldn't look quite like a laser. Nature is full of subtle details like that, things you can't identify but need to see.
Similarly, it doesn't matter if they can explicitly define the differences, or even tell in a given scene. Unless you're hiring your parents to be your cinematographers, they only need to be aware of the final product. And really, under sub-par lighting conditions or too perfect of a scene there might not be a difference. There are specific examples you can use to show it, but not many. So don't bother.
Have you ever seen a laser pointer on a screen? You probably have. Cat toys if nothing else. Lasers exhibit a certain interference pattern called a speckle pattern. It can be used in interferometry to detect minute surface distortions. It looks sort of like noise on the light. One really cool thing is that it's tied to your eyes, not the light source. So if you move your head around, the speckle pattern moves with you. How it moves can actually tell if you're near or far sighted. And you've probably never noticed it before, and will never notice it again when you see someone using a laser pointer. But if it weren't there, it wouldn't look quite like a laser. Nature is full of subtle details like that, things you can't identify but need to see.
Similarly, it doesn't matter if they can explicitly define the differences, or even tell in a given scene. Unless you're hiring your parents to be your cinematographers, they only need to be aware of the final product. And really, under sub-par lighting conditions or too perfect of a scene there might not be a difference. There are specific examples you can use to show it, but not many. So don't bother.
As I get older ( I am 75 now ) I find the slower frame rates more and more annoying to my eyes. The judder seems more pronounced in backgrounds or pans. Not sure if it is that people are more careless in shooting or my eyes but I now definitely prefer 60P to anything else. As to following the narrative if my eyes hurt you've lost me !!!
Run&Gun
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I would say that it's entirely possible that it's carelessness with pan speeds, nowadays, especially if you're talking about something that's not a major production.