GH2 My Gh2 is in! Some questions.

RPLace

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So first off, my biggest opinion is that this is one contrasty camera.

Basically, with my Canon, one huge advantage is that there is the picture styles (my favorite so far, CineStyle) that plain out bring the light equality to darn near human-eye layout. You can even add tons of contrast in post before the image begins to look like the "typical" contrasty looks seen from digital cameras. And to be honest, with Arri Alexa filmmakers using "Log C" out the butt, it's a pretty big point that both in the professional world and just when playing around with the camera, people want that type of realism and possibility. Plain out, for what it's worth, I think picture styles like Cinestyle are pretty revolutional.

Now, with the Gh2, right away I notice that when I dial down Smooth to as flat as it will go, it looks possibly more contrasty than Canon's Standard picture style. I've seen some miraculous footage with the Gh2, namely Hills Green and some other official productions, but what I really haven't seen before I bought this camera is how well it reacts to a normal, every-day room - it really seems to suck. It has some extremely weird colorations (greens, reds, ect ect) and the white balance even changes drastically after I take the picture (even with the LCD set to "constant preview", it hardly ever accurately displays what the picture is going to look like.)

Some other problems so far is that the LCD screen and viewfinder are plain out awful, I don't see how anyone uses them. Canon's real-life viewfinder is so extremely helpful in dark situations where you need to manually focus, and even the LCD screen is pristine in quality, and always right on the pin in terms of exposure and white balance (though it always displays things a bit more contrasty than the files are once you get them on the computer.) However, the GH2's screens look like a childrens toy - I've seen better LCD's on a $50 camera. I'm also dissapointed that there's no "silent shutter" option (that works) because I do a lot of extremely sound-sensitive shooting.

So far, I'm just not sure. I totally love the body of this camera, and once I get my pancake lens, I have a feeling I'd carry this camera around everywhere - it's simply so much smaller than even my T2i. But downright and honest, unless I'm totally missing something (maybe a feature that cuts the contrast a MEGA lot.), I'm just not sure I can use the camera for my style of productions - chances are I could get the same product in post as I could shooting CineStyle on the Canon, but the advantage of the Canon's are that you can truly see what you're doing on the screen during production, you know the product you'll get, you'll know the light equality achievable. With the Gh2, I feel like the screen displays something that is anyone's guess.

I don't know. Hopefully someone can point out to me what I may be missing, but honestly, so far, I'm feeling as though moire and aliasing aren't worth the trade - I may trade in for a 60D, which has pretty much all the same features and even has a couple knick-knacks I already fell in love with at the store. I mean, I also tried an Olympus Pen, and in the hand and in terms of visibility, I almost feel like the Pen gives more in reliability than the GH2 does in terms of LCD and exposure. I'm really trying to like my GH2 because I've wanted to shoot with it for a very long time (and already I can tell it seems to produce very good skin tones and it also seems to have much better highlight roll-off) but meh... for the price, it seems like it will be a VERY hard camera to work with. It seems like a very complex children's contrasty toy camera, and I'm not saying that because of the body, because the body is what I love most about this camera.
 
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I just finished editing a shoot of my best friend Lisa's wedding. It was shot with my workhorse Canon t2i (before I got the GH2), which alternated between fabulous photo stills and great video.

But when I compared the footage to my gh2 the t2i footage looked soft. I was using my go to lenses the Canon 100mm f2 and the Tamron 17-50 2.8 non-vc, which are pretty regarded for sharpness.

While I agree the Canon color is better out of the box (friendlier, happier colors) the sharper and better resolving GH2 takes my breath away. I would have sold my t2i except for the fact that it takes better still pictures. Notes on the sample videos below:

Not very scientific at all, and is stacked against the Canon t2i: The gh2 videos were shot in very controlled situations, whereas the Canon's were shot in pretty random situations where I had no control of lighting. Sharpness and contrast in both cams were dialled down to the lowest settings.

My personal opinion is that you can always color correct in post (and address the Gh2's weakness), but you can never dial up resolution in post (Canon t2i's weakness remains) , so for this reason I'll always choose the Gh2.

Lisa's wedding preparations:

EDIT: Whoops! Because of privacy concerns I had to pull the wedding video.

Here's a substitute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-Ytw4wSvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDowPcv-0s
Gh2 samples with the vitaliy hack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG79-mStjyY




 
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I always make sure to have everything set to -2 in my custom film mode. It helps to give you more room to color correct.
 
The flattest I get out of my GH2 is in nostalgic mode with everything set to -2. Many others use Smooth, also with -2 on all settings I believe.
Nostalgic gives a certain coloration of course but to fix this I go to After Effects. In Manual Movie Mode your LCD and EVF show the picture as it is recorded.
This won´t help you for stills though.
 
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I have used gh2 for a few months now after researching and comparing etc etc for a year. great manual is The EOSHD nasonic GH2
Shooter’s Guide
By Andrew Reid
A book for shooting better video on the GH2

home is boone n.c., last few weeks shooting with this camera in Bali and malaysia, every condition and light.

Use 25mm voightlander and 20 mm lumix 1.7 and others .. could not be happier and with cage or rig very smooth. If you are doing anything of quality of course you must color correct. i have used final cut for this feature but am now using premier pro.. what a difference it makes in ease. i see no reason to move to red or any other.. certainly like the canon d5 mk2 but overheating is not cool. to shoot a lot you need more than one camera so the fried one gets time to cool down.. that is not efficient. gh2 does not overheat. with premier suite and gh2 life is nice especially with a small crew, run and gun or in studio. From jungles to temples, cars to airplanes this camera fits. Sound is no big deal with the zoom. Oh yes and shooting is tight places is fast and with NO crew set up and packing up is efficient and fast. still as are fantastic and menu after getting use to it is not problem but like anything the more that is shot the easier the next set up is. put on rig and no longer the toy..

 
So with more testing, I think I'm going to truly trade my GH2 for a 60D. I just can't deal with the LCD and lack of Picture Style options on the GH2. Other than those critical features, I really do love the body of the GH2 and I wish it had the options I need, but I just believe that with the right editing, the flat profiles do end up giving more quality in the information and a better light equality in the final product. I just wish the GH2 would get the ball rolling in terms of picture styles... Does the GH2 hack allow for greater controll over picture style?
 
Www.campcomet.com -- read the 5DtoRgb post, it covers the issue with picture profiles/film modes.

If that doesn't suffice then your best bet is to sell. Currently there's no other option short of hardware I.e. Canon FDs or low com filters.

Hope that helps.
 
For example, here's a T2i vs. Gh2 comparison, both cameras set to 4.0 aperture (4.1 on the Gh2), 6400Iso, and 13 shutter, and both with Florescent white balance if I'm not mistaken (not that it hugely matters.) But this comparison is simply unbelievable, the T2i packs so much more into the punch, with lower noise, 10x better light equality, and more realistic colors + better white balance. To explain the lighting, it is at darkened dawn under a street lamp. The T2i is on CineStyle and the Gh2 is on Nolstalgic -2.

T2i:
http://i43.tinypic.com/9vcqvn.jpg

Gh2:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2uer1fl.jpg

As a bonus, here's the T2i at 3200ISO, which is what, a stop lower?:
http://i43.tinypic.com/jpzmg8.jpg

To my eyes, the Gh2's Nolstalgic -2 6400 looks like the T2i's 3200 CineStyle, just with the GH2 having much worse quality (could be a camera setting, but both cameras are set to the lowest picture quality), more vibrant colors, much more contrast and a "video" look, and much chunkier noise. Unless a hack could change absolutely every one of these negatives (and I'm not much interested in hacking because of warrantee problems), the Gh2 seems absolutely unusable in comparison...

Alright, so here's another comparison, this time where I crushed the blacks on both images and tried to get them "close" to each other as possible.

T2i 6400:
http://i39.tinypic.com/sp97ad.jpg

Gh2 6400:
http://i39.tinypic.com/t7d1mr.jpg

The T2i wins hands down in terms of noise, which matters in the end - I could have flatted the blacks more on the Gh2 image for less noise, but when I kept doing that, the image got much more contasty than the T2i, leaving the same problem as the original images. One thing it does prove is that generally, when it comes to crushing the blacks and keeping light equality, the images come to almost the exact same thing (unsure if this would hold over for well-lit and daytime shots with little or no blacks that need to be crushed), but at the end of the day, the Gh2 image, no matter what, seemed to have much more noise and less workability. Also, the thing to keep in mind is that CineStyle is not a perfect picture style, many professionals complain that the black side of the spectrum is "grey" (causing the need for more contrast in post to make them 'black'), so without that limitation, CineStyle may be even more capable of less noise and more light in the spectrum some day in the future. But the Gh2 image is plain out contrasty, very alike to Canon's Standard when dialed down.

*Not trying to bash on the GH2, but with how people rave about this camera, I expected better.
 
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How to get this look from the Gh2?

How to get this look from the Gh2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ByXvQ_Io0g&feature=related

Personally, my Gh2 is 10x more contrasty than this in all situations - this video looks more like something from Canon's CineStyle. How exactly is this type of look achieved with a Gh2? My personal guess is simply a lot of de-saturation, and de-contrasting, as the video obviously showcases highlights that were kept under control by underexposing, but from my experience, this seems to bring about a ton of noise from the Gh2, and it never seems to look right.
 
Put your footage through 5DtoRGB to adjust the gamma and achieve a much less contrasty image.
 
We've given you insight to your question. There's an entire blog post dedicated to the issue. Thats about all you can do about it. I encourage you to read and research, as there's a lot of info out there already... Or sell the camera.
 
For example, here's a T2i vs. Gh2 comparison, both cameras set to 4.0 aperture (4.1 on the Gh2), 6400Iso, and 13 shutter, and both with Florescent white balance if I'm not mistaken (not that it hugely matters.) But this comparison is simply unbelievable, the T2i packs so much more into the punch, with lower noise, 10x better light equality, and more realistic colors + better white balance. To explain the lighting, it is at darkened dawn under a street lamp. The T2i is on CineStyle and the Gh2 is on Nolstalgic -2.

T2i:
http://i43.tinypic.com/9vcqvn.jpg

Gh2:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2uer1fl.jpg

As a bonus, here's the T2i at 3200ISO, which is what, a stop lower?:
http://i43.tinypic.com/jpzmg8.jpg

To my eyes, the Gh2's Nolstalgic -2 6400 looks like the T2i's 3200 CineStyle, just with the GH2 having much worse quality (could be a camera setting, but both cameras are set to the lowest picture quality), more vibrant colors, much more contrast and a "video" look, and much chunkier noise. Unless a hack could change absolutely every one of these negatives (and I'm not much interested in hacking because of warrantee problems), the Gh2 seems absolutely unusable in comparison...

Alright, so here's another comparison, this time where I crushed the blacks on both images and tried to get them "close" to each other as possible.

T2i 6400:
http://i39.tinypic.com/sp97ad.jpg

Gh2 6400:
http://i39.tinypic.com/t7d1mr.jpg

The T2i wins hands down in terms of noise, which matters in the end - I could have flatted the blacks more on the Gh2 image for less noise, but when I kept doing that, the image got much more contasty than the T2i, leaving the same problem as the original images. One thing it does prove is that generally, when it comes to crushing the blacks and keeping light equality, the images come to almost the exact same thing (unsure if this would hold over for well-lit and daytime shots with little or no blacks that need to be crushed), but at the end of the day, the Gh2 image, no matter what, seemed to have much more noise and less workability. Also, the thing to keep in mind is that CineStyle is not a perfect picture style, many professionals complain that the black side of the spectrum is "grey" (causing the need for more contrast in post to make them 'black'), so without that limitation, CineStyle may be even more capable of less noise and more light in the spectrum some day in the future. But the Gh2 image is plain out contrasty, very alike to Canon's Standard when dialed down.

*Not trying to bash on the GH2, but with how people rave about this camera, I expected better.


Youre having a laugh,and and must be a 550D owner here to have a stir,i owned one and it was not in the same hemisphere as my GH2 i have not hacked just updated and even before with pal 50i the video blew my 550Ds video away now with 25P in a wrap it tornados it.
 
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I'm not sure that post-effects are the answer to the Gh2's contrast problem, as I've already proved that 1. The Gh2 seems to have more noise, at least in picture mode (haven't tested how this reflects in video, but video is always worse than even the lowest setting on picture mode), and 2. The Gh2 seems to have less luminence (meaning you have to crank the ISO up a whole stop or two to get the same exposure you would on a Canon), and 3. The Gh2 is a contrasty camera with little controls in the picture style department. This makes for very low quality videos in the final product, especially with editing and pushing the image. Not saying Canon has wonderful video quality going on, but from my tests, the Canon videos actually seem aesthetically better in all departments, and more pliable. Bunch of trade-offs, and I was expecting the Gh2 to be above the Canon in literally all areas. I've never liked Canon's DSLR's, too bulky, too low quality, and Canon cheats their customers out of a lot with every new camera, but with looking at the Gh2, I'm sort of blown away by Canon in comparison. Even if by a miracle the Gh2's footage would look equal to Canon's with editing in post, you have to think about which camera has more features for the price, with an ease-of-use and such, and to me, the 60D seems to sort of win there.

It may all depend on what one wants from the camera, and I'm sure the Gh2 hack can help the camera out a lot, but like I said, I'm not interested in hacking and from just the cameras themselves, the 60D and the Gh2 seem to be the top contenders and well, I would say the 60D's footage seems more matured out of the lot; I don't think there's any technical reason why the Gh2 can't adopt picture styles like Cinestyle, so if the company simply restricts it, it's sort of gay. Does the hack even allow it?
 
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I'm not interested in hacking and from just the cameras themselves, the 60D and the Gh2 seem to be the top contenders and well, I would say the 60D's footage seems more matured out of the lot.

If you don't plan on hacking, then sell the GH2 and either stick with the T2i or upgrade to the 60D.

If the company simply restricts it, it's sort of gay.

Was that really necessary?
 
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