Mtv..??

John_Hudson said:
Didn't it once mean something be on the cover of Rolling Stone ?

Now even Jennifer Anniston and Christina Aguillerra make the cover
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Dr. Hook said it all in "Cover of the Rolling Stone"...written by Shel Silverstein. :thumbsup:
 
oneinfiniteloop said:
The youth today, 21 and under, have no concept of the realities of music and the culture that surrounds this. This is not there fault, but the fault of the corporations that spoonfeeds them superflous crap 24/7. They have been conditioned to think and act a certain way, and they cannot know what a previous generation experienced.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) they have the power to change it, but they choose not. They continue to buy the magazines, buy the CD's, download the songs, wear the fashions, etc... If they all stopped buying into it and demanded better content, then eventually it would happen. We live in a supply/demand economy. The record co/corp's supply it, because the youth of today demand it.
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Making the point that everyone under twenty-one is some helpless tool is extraordinarily arrogant and naïve. If you would actually take the time to investigate youth culture and not just rehash pseudo liberal opinions that you have been spoonfed, you would see that the culture of those under twenty one is often eclectic, sophisticated, and independent. Just because MTV is popular in no way means that all teenagers buy into it or even watch it. The same goes for other popular TV shows, music, and entertainment.

Teenagers have the ability to shape popular culture and they often do. They either do not participate or they create their own culture and not worry about how they are represented in the mainstream media. Of course no generation will be able to fully experience what another generation went through, this is not a new phenomenon, it has always been the case. Believing that all corporate material is “superfluous crap,” is tremendously shallow, buying in to that creates a very narrow minded world view. Saying that conditioning is a trait only available to those under 21 is just plain idiotic. Toolish behavior has no age limit.

Before telling everyone under 21 how awful all their taste is and how unaware they are of the world around them you should take a look at your own life and question where your perception is coming from. This judgment has absolutely nothing to do with your age but everything to do with your assertive and shallowly constructed opinions.

-cody

P.S. I really don’t mean to come off as such a dick, I hate writing such negative things. However, I felt that not saying anything would only perpetuate the problem.
 
I think everyone under 21 should be kept in cages.

Except chicks 18-21. They should stay in my guest room :D
 
Chicks are cool.

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This thread is taking some interesting turns. From MTV is crap to sub-culture commentary. Sigh...

Cody

You may not be trying to come across as a dick but you are. Do us a favor and cool it with the personal attacks mang and stop being so defensive and paranoid will ya' ?

No one is attacking you.

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If you think for a moment that you can actually comprehend something you have never experienced then you are really showing your age with these knee-jerk reactions to this threads commentary.

You cannot comprehend what a generation before you experienced no more than I can comprehend the 60's? (I was born in 1970).

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oneinfiniteloop did not say that the under 21 set is 'some helpless tool'. Those are your words and no one here thinks that of you (or the teenage set)

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As far as 'twenty one is often eclectic, sophisticated, and independent.' ? The only truth in that statement is that you think you are eclectic, sophisticated, and independent; I know. I was under 21 once.

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Relax...

Here is a tip for you:

1. Your parent's already did it, you are doing nothing your parents havent already done, yes they do know more than you, yes they have good advice

(Legal - I proclaim to not really know your parents but am generalizing.)

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The ultimate truth is that it is all relative.
 
Well, allow me to retort, Cody...first, my mistake on labeling everyone under 21 as a "helpless tool"(which I never said, using your words), I thought I said "most youth under 21" in my post, but after I checked I didn't. My mistake.

Moving on...my opinions are far from "psuedo liberal" and I know a lot about youth culture. I work in my local music industry and I'm very aware as to what the kids listen, considering I have to market to them to some degree.

Now, I grew up on punk rock, early grunge movement (Nirvana, Alice in Chains, etc.) and original bands like Rage Against the Machine and others that dared to be creative and original. Now I know you like to feel like the underground music scene is wildy independent and very original/creative, but to me it's not. Corporate America has spoiled the sacred "underground" as well, and it all looks highly manicured and processed to me. But, I'm used to bands like the Sex Pistols who had something to say and did it with any means necassary. I'm sorry, Indie-rock bands that whine incessantly about flowers and their girlfriends leaving them is boring, and is the realm of pop music.

But really, you have to take this as my opinion. I never said all corporate music is superflous crap, just most of it. Again, these are my opinions, and I've found many of the new bands to be very good, but I speak from a viewpoint on the whole scene, not just a handful. I don't think it's that I don't like them, but I don't have as much respect for them. I've been involved with the music scene for sometime now and I know what some of these bands do to get ahead, and I don't agree. I hold bands like Rage Against the Machine who signed with Sony and got complete creative control over every aspect of their band on a very high pedestal. Like film, one should not sacrifice their idealogy for money, yet many bands give it away for next to nothing.
 
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John_Hudson said:
You cannot comprehend what a generation before you experienced no more than I can comprehend the 60's? (I was born in 1970).
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Yikes! I graduated HS in Okinawa in 1971. And with a few notible exceptions I feel music damned near died with the advent of disco :eek:

Now, we had some trash in the 60s and 70s, too. But it's the music of our formative years that seems to stick with us. The most frightening thing that can happen to a person is to become their parents. My attitudes towards my daughter's music somewhat mirrored my parents attitudes toward mine. I will say that I also learned about some artists I might otherwise have missed. I don't listen to new music much anymore, since I got my iPod, and that's tragic.

What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, John, that was a good post. :thumbsup:
 
Blaine said:
Yikes! I graduated HS in Okinawa in 1971. And with a few notible exceptions I feel music damned near died with the advent of disco :eek:
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WTF no way.. Blaine do you need another disco lesson?
 
KOVAROVA said:
WTF no way.. Blaine do you need another disco lesson?
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Please, no more...I saw that video...I'll be good, I promise. :grin: :grin:



:beer: :Drogar-Smoke(DBG): :beer:


EDIT: It's scary to think that someday someone will be calling "Disco" the golden age of music.
 
I love Disco.

Bu I love everything. Except Country. But I do love Shania Twain.

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Damn Kovarova; you started a hailstorm with this thread. (Actually it was Cody when he stated MTV never had a Golden Age)

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Becoming my parents would suck. My dad was (still is) a Prick and my mother is Super Flake.

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God I'm just hoping to raise my son with some respect, morality and common sense.
 
ok you old MTV loving ****ers what video was this frame from

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John_Hudson said:
- Damn Kovarova; you started a hailstorm with this thread. (Actually it was Cody when he stated MTV never had a Golden Age)
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ya Cody seems a little pissed but im glad he is contributing.
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you like disco Cody?
 
Even then I tripped on that little dwarf dude he was hangin out with. What a bizarre video that was.

Okay; here's one:

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