Mtv..??

THE_Pookie said:
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:eek: That totally defies ALL LOGIC. :shocked:
 
John, thats the funniest thing you've said for ages : - > (-old school smiley) - Che :costumed-smiley-047
LMFAO (please post thread-link, of any other recent pearls I may have missed)
Oh, and your right, all of you are...Comercialism.:furious3: ..Its an interesting discussion/ animal. T.V./alot of FILM/ most of its poo pooe today, and the news!

But hanging around here for a while, I know things are changing, the new flesh ,(VideoDrome), the technology, blah, blah.
I've got vids on at the moment, its nice but its a crap industry, as is most successful business. :kali:, and alot of the heads/ people in power positions are wishy-washy, to put it nicely!

Lets all play the game till were ready to punch out in every area, music, t.v.,film, anim=art...with a nasty uppercut they never saw coming. (If you've got the balls!)

As for M.T.V. the M for Music is now Media, who did'nt see that comming?
 
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John_Hudson said:
LOL Jp !

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"Sure you're not a homosexual" Eddie Murphy Delirious

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LMAO

Re: "The Golden Age of MTV" ... I remember when it was event television -- eg, when they debuted the full 14-minute cut of the Thriller video -- my friends and I had a party just to watch it all together -- a 14-minute music video???!!! We couldn't believe it. It was a landmark TV event.

At the John Landis screening/Q&A we went to on the 16th, they screened an original 35-mm print of Thriller, and it was hilarious watching it with a 2006 audience. In the beginning, during the narrative section before the music starts, Michael Jackson is walking his date home from the movie theater, and he turns to her and says:

"I have to tell you something... I'm not like other guys."

2006 AUDIENCE ROARS WITH LAUGHTER (as Michael's date says whatever it is she says)...

MICHAEL: "No, really, I'm different."

2006 AUDIENCE COMPLETELY LOSES IT (whatever dialogue is being said can't be heard)...

It was great seeing Thriller again, and made me remember that night in college we all got together, so excited to see it for the first time. Sad how things turned out -- he was so cutting edge and now he's become such a joke. Kinda like MTV...
 
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pookie pookie.. i already have a stomach ache. :grin:

i just can't see why the Music video programming went missing in all of it. Yesterday they had a segment called V.A.D.D. or something to do with A.D.D. and they cut and mixed 4 short versions of videos together. ****ing stupid idea if you ask me.. why show them at all then.

I guess that 12-18 year old group doesn’t’ want to sit through an entire MV anymore and would rather watch stupid ****ers getting drunk, talking bullshit and getting arrested. sad.
 
John_Hudson said:
How profound. Arent you like 17 Cody?

I remember when one had to pay for MTV. I remember when they launched a campaign whereas one had to ask the cable company for MTV

I remember when MTV was 24/7 Music Videos and it was new and exciting and changed an entire industry and generation. It's influence was huge on pop culture, film and of course the music industry.

That was the golden age we are referring too. But you were not there to see it so what you have today is the vapid teenage entertainment that has as much wieght as poo pooe.

It was exciting, it was new.

It was not vapid teenage entertainment like it is today. Something tells me MTV will not re-invent itself but has found it's target niche. It's not about the music anymore; it's about the cash
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While I can understand that I may seem overconfident in saying that MTV has always been vapid (because I was born in 1988) I don't think you should dismiss my opinion just because I am 17.

I agree completely, there is no doubt that MTV has played a tremendous role in shaping its generation. Specifically it's role in shaping music and the film industry. But you must ask yourself why it caused such an impact. Was it because it displayed an underrepresented youth culture? Was it because it gave a face to bands people admired? Was it because the style was unconventional in a conventional time? (Ronald Reagan was president the year the channel made its first appearance (1981) and for seven years after that)

It seemed as though MTV caused such a stir because it was rebelling for the sake of rebelling. They did everything different and it was captivating for this reason. But once you get over that, and once you stop being shocked that they are showing clips that cut every two seconds what do you have left?

We both agree that what is playing now on MTV is vapid teenage entertainment but if you were to somehow take the exact same programing and play that in 1981 I think you would create the exact same sort of influence on pop culture. It would be, as you said, new, exciting, and make you feel as if you have entered some sort of golden age in entertainment where foundations are being rocked. MTV realized a long time ago that it was successful because it had stood up to the convention. Youth culture embraced it because it fought "the man" so successfully. In-fact, it was so successful that it has actually (and ironically) became the convention.

There is no way that MTV would be able to play music videos 24-7 now because people would figure this out. It would become boring once youth accepted the idea and it became the standard. The only way for MTV to survive and continue to capture the hearts of feeble teenagers is to create the illusion that they are actually rebelling and embracing the new as opposed to falling back on the old.

Your age was golden because it made you believe that the corporately funded television show was rebelling and you were with them all the way. It is attempting to do the same with my generation. Whether or not it is working I am not sure of, I don't watch any television.

-cody
 
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Now this is a more solid take on the subject matter and thanks for chiming in. But I am not dismissing your opinion because of your age. I am discounting it because I believe it to be wrong.

You stated that:

I love how everyone always likes to talk about the golden age of MTV. I really don't think there was one, it was, and always kind of has been just vapid teenage entertainment
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The fact is that there was a Golden Age for MTV and it was ginormous.

MTV was not rebelling when it first aired. It was simply Music Video's with occasional news breaks about the music industry. Sure it was hip (Popular Music) but it wasn't rebelling. It wasn't like The Decline of Western Civilization . MTV's mainstay was Michael Jackson and Duran Duran (Not exactly rebellious). It was cool to bea teenager but I found more rebellion in my skateboard and partying than in MTV I assure you. MTV was a bitchen outlet for music and the new sensation of videos.

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Anything will be new and exciting if it has never been done before and that is the point; it had never been done before. It's like saying 'The Wheel seems like a no-brainer to invent it...' but tell that to all of the people before the Wheel came around.

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The youth did not become bored with 24/7 video then and I doubt they would now. The reality is that there is no money in 24/7 videos. In fact, the general consensus seems to be 'Where the hell are the videos? by everyone

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Fighting 'The man' ? MTV ? LOL . Uhhhh..... No. Not then and definatley not now.

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My generation's MTV was Golden because it was unique and original. It was different, it was unique and groundbreaking. Today it is Vapid Teenage Entertainment. IN 1981 it was Rock N Roll for the first time.
 
Being 24, born 3 years ater MTV debut, I would like to chime in on this argument. John said earlier that he

John Hudson said:
not dismissing your opinion because of your age
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and I agree one should not do so, but age is inexplicably a factor in this discussion. The youth today, 21 and under, have no concept of the realities of music and the culture that surrounds this. This is not there fault, but the fault of the corporations that spoonfeeds them superflous crap 24/7. They have been conditioned to think and act a certain way, and they cannot know what a previous generation experienced.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) they have the power to change it, but they choose not. They continue to buy the magazines, buy the CD's, download the songs, wear the fashions, etc... If they all stopped buying into it and demanded better content, then eventually it would happen. We live in a supply/demand economy. The record co/corp's supply it, because the youth of today demand it.
 
My very first memory is Thriller's debut on MTV. I remember it being a BIG deal. Damn near scared the **** outta me (OK, it DID:)) I think the big thing really boils down to how long will a viewer watch 24/7 music videos. The answer is only until one comes on that they don't like. Then they change the channel and MTV loses an audiencemember to ADVERTISE to. I remember when MTV2 changed their format (It was probably the same with MTV). The model used to be that the record companies would pay to put a band's video on the air. There were NO commercials because of this, well really the videos are commercials in their own right. But now you have shows that will keep a viewer engaged for at least a half hour so that at least 3 commercial breaks can be pushed on them. Kids aren't even buying CD's the way they used to. They just figured out that selling Oxy and PSP's to them makes more money.
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OK. I have 10 or more kinds of MTV.I can always find some kind of "music" on one channel. hardly even I find playing the same clip on different channels at the same time.
here, mtv hits is still better then the local radio station.
 
MTV sucks? I can't commet because I don't get it on Vancouver cable. In my humble opinion though, 90% of mainstream TV Sucks Which neans our expectations for entertainment suck because what we want to watch is the very thing they produce. If we all demanded meaningful, intellegent broadcasting, that is what they would deliver. We have no one to blame but ourselves for the shite they pump out. If we swarm the best restaurants in town demanding Kraft Dinner the culinary experience will be reduced to just that!
 
surf said:
OK. I have 10 or more kinds of MTV.I can always find some kind of "music" on one channel. hardly even I find playing the same clip on different channels at the same time.
here, mtv hits is still better then the local radio station.
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you are lucky surf. here in the USA MTV is no longer about music. it is sad.

the last time i watched Euro MTV they were still playing a lot of music videos.
 
MTV Is an example of everything that sucks.

Fast editing, jerky camera movement, feeding an ADD generation nothin but crap!

Lets get morgan spurlock to do a documentary on it!!!

I KEED, I KEED!
 
Not that I ever thought it was that great, considering what it has wrought on music, but it seems to have gone the way of Rolling Stone magazine. There was a time when Rolling Stone was on the cutting edge of everything that was important in music and pop culture...now, it's become somewhat irrelevant.
 
Didn't it once mean something be on the cover of Rolling Stone ?

Now even Jennifer Anniston and Christina Aguillerra make the cover
 
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