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f64manray said:
IIt also comes with headphone jack to monitor sound being recorded.
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Not quite - it comes iwht a headphone jack which will allow you to monitor the sound going through the beachtek... but keep in mind that's NOT what's being recorded...

the only way to monitor the recorded signal would be to monitor off the 5D itself, but unfortunately Canon (along with Panasonic) didn't seem to think a headphone jack was worth the effort to add to these cameras.

That may not seem like a big deal - but just last week I was shooting some tests with the 5D, partly to see if the audio was "good enough" for some of the stuff I shoot. I tested the Zoom, along with the Beachtek, as well as just the 5D on it's own....

Well, when it came to the beachtek, we shot about a minute of basic interview stuff (just tests)... some basic talking, etc, everything sounded great via the headphones.... go to play it back, and guess what? Static. Nothing but white noise. No audio had been recorded.

And yes, I'm certain that was user error... obviously some setting incorrect, something not hooked up right, any number of things could have gone wrong - but the point is exactly that - any number of things can go wrong at any moment, and if you're not monitoring the actual recorded signal you have no way of knowing because the audio coming out of the beachtek's headphone jack sounds great... EVEN IF the camera isn't recording anything.

Until these manufacturers decide to take their own claims seriously about the great audio recording capability of these cameras (read both Canon and Panasonics sites on the DSLRs and you'll see paragraphs devoted to the audio capabilities) and include the simplest of things (ie a headphone jack) onto the camera - the only way to confidently record and monitor audio is going to be some sort of dual system.

Anything other than monitoring the actual recorded signal is taking a serious risk.
Just my two cents.
 
You could do a instant check just by playing back your video clip and listen to the 5DII speaker just to make sure you have audio. Also, there is a AV out jack. there must be a way to custom make a cable that will take the audio part of that signal and run it into a little head phone distribution amplifier, and then the director and the sound guy as well as a couple of other people could monitor play back.
 
And perhaps in situations where you can recreate the scene (ie narrative) that would be okay... though in that case I can't imagine you'd want to use the 5D's recorded audio seeing as the quality from even something like the Zoom is bound to be superior to work with in post.... so why go out of your way to record lesser quality audio that you can't monitor while rolling?

...but I was thinking more of situations like interviews - which can't be easily recaptured (and can't be stopped periodically to check for audio).

Ironically those are the sorts of gigs where I think the 5D (and 7D, and GH1) would record audio that was 'good enough' for the product (corporate web stuff, industrials, etc).... but those are also the same situations where monitoring on playback alone wouldn't really cut it.
 
For narrative it's definitly a PITA but wow never considered what a dealbreaker the audio would be for Doc work.
Hopefully they'll have full fledged video cameras soon, I'm thinking 2nd quarter 2010.
Till then I only plan on doing a couple shorts and a bunch a music vids so here's hoping for a real video camera early next year:beer:
 
I've heard the juicedlink is better. I've got a H4n but the juicedlink with magic lantern installed would be faster when it counts.
 
f64manray said:
You could do a instant check just by playing back your video clip and listen to the 5DII speaker just to make sure you have audio. Also, there is a AV out jack. there must be a way to custom make a cable that will take the audio part of that signal and run it into a little head phone distribution amplifier, and then the director and the sound guy as well as a couple of other people could monitor play back.
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The stock 5D2 and 7D disable audio on the AV jack while recording and also disable the LCD when something is hooked up to the AV jack.

Magic Lantern on the 5D2 basically enables proper in-camera audio recording:

It turns the AGC off and sets levels according to a config file.
It routes the audio to the AV cable while recording (without disabling the LCD?)
It adds on-screen VU meters.

With such a setup, you should use a decent pre-amp, like a JuicedLink XLR adapter. I've read on forums that the signal being sent to the AV jack is a bit too low, so users get cheap Boostaroo headphone amps for easier monitoring.

So there you go, a plausible scenario for interviews and such... but it requires a bit of firmware magic... and we all know that sometimes it doesn't pan out the way we think it will...

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I plan on buying one of these.
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/445854-REG/Zoom_H4_H4_Mobile_Stereo_Field.html
 
Well, it's cheaper because it's the older model, but I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer not to spend a little bit more for much improved performance and design polish, unless he/she was really strapped for cash. The H4n is only $299 now.
 
Since this thread has gone a little sound heavy, would anyone care to point me in the direction of understanding how we record with the H4n, through a mixer, making sure that we can sync the 23.976 video with the sound in post?
 
Well, it's cheaper because it's the older model, but I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer not to spend a little bit more for much improved performance and design polish, unless he/she was really strapped for cash. The H4n is only $299 now.
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Exactly. Spend the extra $ and get the H4N. It is worth it.
 
all I can say and I'm not a sound guy is I was recording a band at a show with my DVX100b. The loud music and moving around made the sound not good. The sound guy had his H4 plugged into the sound board. He emailed me the song I wanted to use and I just put it into the the FCP timeline. I just moved it around till I got it synced up. Since it was the same music from the video on my DVX it was really easy. It was so easy I plan on buying one. I'll probably just get the H4N


PaPa said:
Since this thread has gone a little sound heavy, would anyone care to point me in the direction of understanding how we record with the H4n, through a mixer, making sure that we can sync the 23.976 video with the sound in post?
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The 5d records at 30.000 only, I believe, so a video conform will always be necessary, (need to conform for NTSC playback anyway) .

The 7d only records at 23.976, 29.97, 59.9x, so it will sync with the H4n straight out of the box at any frame rate.

EDIT: The H4n only records at the 29.97/ 23.976 SPEED, (not frame rate), so it will sync with anything running at those speeds.
 
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