https://www.canonrumors.com/is-a-mini-cinema-eos-c70-in-the-pipeline-cr1/
I have a hard time visualizing what "a lot smaller" means.
Mini Cinema EOS C70
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https://www.canonrumors.com/is-a-mini-cinema-eos-c70-in-the-pipeline-cr1/
I have a hard time visualizing what "a lot smaller" means.
morgan_moore
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canon need an rf camera that does not have HDMI out the side.
really nothing else matters!
really nothing else matters!
cpreston
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Yes. I just got my 24-105 f/2.8 RF today and I am seriously considering retiring my C500 MKII's for my R5c's if it wasn't for the lack of an SDI. I would consider a mini C70 to be the R5c, but they really need an actual production camera with an RF mount at this point.
Pardon me for being a bit slow - are you talking about the placement of the HDMI port or the type of connector (SDI/HDMI/Ethernet/SCART)
morgan_moore
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well you have a staircase of bad
good - sdi on the back
medium hdmi on the back (fx6, c200, zcam)
terrible - hdmi out the side
Thanks! I think we can agree that HDMI - no matter the placement - is bad.
As a C200 and C70 owner I am not too inconvenienced, but as the simpleton I am I use the Canon EVF with the C200 and the flip-out monitor with the C70.
morgan_moore
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C70 The flip monitor makes you hold the cam like a12yo.. and cant see in the sun.
to me it is not professional nor the side hdmi options - hence i bought a c200 which has many ways to monitor and give an image to the director
to me it is not professional nor the side hdmi options - hence i bought a c200 which has many ways to monitor and give an image to the director
Eric Coughlin
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I've yet to see a camera that can output 8K over SDI (I gather you'd need 24g SDI or quad link 12G), while there are cameras that can output 8K over HDMI. The Sony Venice 2 and Burano I do not believe are capable of outputting 8K (not positive about the Venice 2). So, while people like to hate on HDMI, as far as I'm aware, with current camera tech that's in use, it's the only way to get an 8K output from a camera.
NorBro
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The same thing happened with HD and 4K; SDI was 4-5 years behind HDMI and all of its 4K offerings.
But I think that delay was more production painful to many than this one will be because any kind of 8K viewing/monitoring outside a living room is still special case for most.
But I think that delay was more production painful to many than this one will be because any kind of 8K viewing/monitoring outside a living room is still special case for most.
morgan_moore
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i dont hate hdmi too much. I hate when it is positioned to hit your face or generally “out the side”
heavy hdmi cables can be bad.. but the 30cm “skinnies” can be fine going to an onboard monitor or wireless sender can be fine
morgan_moore
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morgan_moore
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I dunno if you worked a place like sunny portugal.. you cant see f)ck all on these screens
( maybe you have a grip with a floppy?)
I like to have the lens at eye height not look up peoples noses
But I do get that that is eyeline thing is a bit 'old school' and that many 12 yo 'tik tokers get more views than my clients or me.
And usually Im worlking for a director who want to see what they are leading and paying for.
But I get the C70 is a good cam and if it works it works
i love my R6 for one man band shooting (yes I use the EVF and get eyeline and contact points) but its no good for director jobs.
I dunno if you worked a place like sunny portugal.. you cant see f)ck all on these screens
( maybe you have a grip with a floppy?)
I like to have the lens at eye height not look up peoples noses
But I do get that that is eyeline thing is a bit 'old school' and that many 12 yo 'tik tokers get more views than my clients or me.
And usually Im worlking for a director who want to see what they are leading and paying for.
But I get the C70 is a good cam and if it works it works
i love my R6 for one man band shooting (yes I use the EVF and get eyeline and contact points) but its no good for director jobs.
I understand your use case now (director). I’m a one-man band.
In an ideal world I’d be able to use my Canon EVF with the C70 as well, but this is one of the reasons I’m waiting for the C200 successor with RF mount.
morgan_moore
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Indeed a RF200 with currecnt AF would be most excellent.
or even a 'box' with some video form
or even a 'box' with some video form
That’s exactly what’s on my wish list.
Eric Coughlin
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8K monitoring isn't that important, but 8K output for live recording can be. Does anyone know what camera the 2024 Olympics will be using for broadcasting since I believe it's an 8K broadcast?
Morgan, if you cut a hole in your cheek you can then route the HDMI cable through your mouth, so I'm not sure why you consider this such an issue since there is a viable workaround.
Also Morgan, have you put the Luminance to +2 on the C70 for outdoor viewing? I find using Luminance on the LCD screens of all of the C-series cameras has always helped an awful lot with being able to view the screen in day light. My main gripe with it is there is no on screen indication of when luminance is on, so often I forget to turn it off when going back indoors and then when using the LCD to judge exposure I end up exposing too dark thinking the monitor is accurate (as it would be when Luminance is turned off indoors). Also, I'm unaware of there being a way to map custom button to luminance, which would be nice to be able to change it quicker.
Morgan, if you cut a hole in your cheek you can then route the HDMI cable through your mouth, so I'm not sure why you consider this such an issue since there is a viable workaround.
Also Morgan, have you put the Luminance to +2 on the C70 for outdoor viewing? I find using Luminance on the LCD screens of all of the C-series cameras has always helped an awful lot with being able to view the screen in day light. My main gripe with it is there is no on screen indication of when luminance is on, so often I forget to turn it off when going back indoors and then when using the LCD to judge exposure I end up exposing too dark thinking the monitor is accurate (as it would be when Luminance is turned off indoors). Also, I'm unaware of there being a way to map custom button to luminance, which would be nice to be able to change it quicker.
morgan_moore
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im not sure of the viable workaround, sure there are L brackets cage gimp ons.. but my experience is they dont work reliably.. oh.. and for the r series mirrorless cameras you lose the screen when engaging HDMI so thats a double lose as you cant 'poke focus' on an external monitor
The sony was 'my camera' for a month long feature with no prep budget.. so I rigged it with my stock of bits it is not my camera and my interest in making it nice was limited. (i did build a workaround)
I dont think you can beat eye in an evf on a sunny day. its been the standard from film motion picture, stills film cameras through eng to arri.. with IMO good reason.
The fact that 'eye in' EVF is offered at a decent standard on cameras such as the r6 is IMO a ground breaking bargain sadly missing on the C70.
NorBro
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The 2021 Olympics had special 8K cameras from Japan's NHK, and probably something similar will be used along with a few other "no one ever heard of" systems [with the random Sony/etc. 8K shoulder broadcast foot soldiers running around to capture a museum amount of archivable footage].