Micro Gimbal for GH4, BMPCC, A7s - $699 USD

awomias said:
Looking forward to your a7s test dustylense. What lens are you mounting on it as I am looking to get a lens for my camera too?
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right now I have the 12 Rokinon APS-C F/2 and I'm going to pick up the 10-18 Sony f/4 so I can have some auto features (one push auto and a little bit of zoom). I got the 12mm Roki balanced pretty good and without too much adjustment so I can switch out to the Gh4 rather quickly.
 
What are your thoughts on using this gimbal with a nx1 and 16-50 power zoom? The camera is around 510 grams and the zoom is around 115 grams. I know you said you were able to use the zoom on the 12-35 on the gh4, i'm wondering how much zoom I'd be able to use on the 16-50. I don't have any experience with either of the zooms so i'm not sure how much either telescope as you use the zoom. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
 
deadhumpy said:
What are your thoughts on using this gimbal with a nx1 and 16-50 power zoom? The camera is around 510 grams and the zoom is around 115 grams. I know you said you were able to use the zoom on the 12-35 on the gh4, i'm wondering how much zoom I'd be able to use on the 16-50. I don't have any experience with either of the zooms so i'm not sure how much either telescope as you use the zoom. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
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As long as the camera sits on the gimbal tray properly I don't see why you couldn't fly this with this combo.


Uploading A7s test now. Will post what I did and thoughts.
 
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Do you intend to hand hold only? Do you have a vest you could try it with? Most of the samples I've seen have some up/down motion and I'm wondering if having it on an arm will help that issue.
 
sinapps said:
Do you intend to hand hold only? Do you have a vest you could try it with? Most of the samples I've seen have some up/down motion and I'm wondering if having it on an arm will help that issue.
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This would be WAY too light for a vest and arm. It would also counter the design and philosophy of the gimbal. The reason "most" of the examples show up and down has more to do with users getting into the PID settings.
 
OK... Here is the A7s on the N4000. All I did from my Gh4 settings was correct the roll axis and get the camera on the tray decently balanced. Thats it! No PID adjustments made from my Gh4 PID tune. I'm actually quite impressed that the A7s with the 10-18 F/4 did really well. So impressed I'm thinking of not changing the PIDs so I can go between the cameras easily.

The A7s does fit better on the gimbal. Still unable to get a proper pan balance. But I'm going to try adding weight to the back of the gimbal using magnets or something to bring the pan balance closer to a proper balance.

A7s with 10-18mm f/4 APS-C lens. (The lens is not so bad either). The camera is in full auto mode. AF on, AWB, and auto ISO. (Have a job tomorrow where these settings will come in handy).
https://vimeo.com/114399738
 
dustylense: on last your video the horizon is rock-stable (steady xyz rotation), the only shakes I can see comes from close objects, meaning the gimbal xyz position lacks inertia. I wonder how much adding 1kg to the gimbal would help with that, and if it could still be one-handeld is such conditions.

Do you think a Canon 70D+18-135 (1.2Kg) could work with this gimbal ?
 
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I'm still trying to find a reason not to buy the N4000...

I always put a quick release plate in every piece of equipment I may want to mount my camera on. I have 7 of these, and I can switch my camera from flycam to tripod to shoulder mount to anything else in just 2 seconds.

Would the a7s still work on the N4000 if it was lifted by a bit less than an inch?
 
Samuel H said:
I'm still trying to find a reason not to buy the N4000...

I always put a quick release plate in every piece of equipment I may want to mount my camera on. I have 7 of these, and I can switch my camera from flycam to tripod to shoulder mount to anything else in just 2 seconds.

Would the a7s still work on the N4000 if it was lifted by a bit less than an inch?
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Probably not as you would not have enough adjustment to balance the tilt. There is a chance, but I wouldn't count on it for sure.
 
Just an update.
When you consider that this gimbal in it's case will fit under your passenger car seat, and then take into account it's performance with it's size and ability to get the camera where other gimbals couldn't go, I think this gimbal is an amazing device. They did really well for a version 1 product. There is room to improve for sure, but I have absolutely ZERO regrets in the purchase.

I hope that either this company continues to design small profile gimbals like this or that DJI makes one. I love my Ronin, but I think I like the N4000 just a tad more....
 
A thin quick release would be a good thing if possible. For one, using the rig on a job for a day, the camera did loosen up with the hand tightened conventional twist knob due to all the jostling around. Securing a quick release in a more permanent fashion would eliminate the chance of the camera moving on the job.

Also a little more height (if possible) would allow an HDMI cable to come straight out of some cameras' HDMI port. As it is now on my RX10, I will have to use an HDMI cable that exits with an immediate 90 degree bend to avoid a triangular metal boss on the rig.
 
Dustylense, what is the maximum downward tilt angle of the camera that you have been able to achieve before the gimbal loses its control of the camera?
 
The nifty included cell phone bracket will expand to accomodate the new, larger iphones.

My tech-savvy 32 year old son was surprised the Nebula 4000 was only $699.
 
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dustylense said:
Probably not as you would not have enough adjustment to balance the tilt. There is a chance, but I wouldn't count on it for sure.
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Thanks dusty.

This thread is super helpful. You both rock.



Off to my DIY contraption. Redesigning a few 3D-printed parts for easier and more accurate balance tuning. I have until mid-January to get this thing working...
 
Looks like you can attach the Nebula 4000 to a tripod (see here @46).
I wonder if attaching a small 500g tripod to the setup would help with the bouncing (lack of up/down inertia) ?
 
This would be great if one could use the GH4 + Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 + MB SB, but that would be pushing it to 2KG, or twice the weight specification (especially if you also throw in something like a filter and whatnot). I'm sure you could build a brushless gimbal that would carry 4.5lbs (2KG), but the question becomes how much is too much for one hand to carry for any length of time... there are quite a few stabilizers without arm support out there, like the Merlin, Blackbird, Glidecam etc., and f.ex. the Blackbird is rated at 8lb carrying capacity. The issue then becomes how long can you carry how much weight without destroying your wrist. I have a mini stabilizer, the CAME H4 and also one of those Chinese knockoffs of Glidecam, but I never put much weight on the H4 (GH3 + Panny 12-35) and I have a vest+arm for the Glidecam knockoff, so I don't have much experience carrying more than a couple of pounds on my wrist for any length of time. I'm sure I could do it for a couple of minutes at a time, but I never tried it for a whole shooting day, for example.

Anyhow, I say all that, because that combo (GH4+Sigma 18-35+MB SB) is a very popular/common one, and having a one-hand gimbal like the Nebula would be a very interesting solution. But I'd guess going over the weight limit of the N4000 by 100% is probably not workable. Maybe they'll come out with a bigger one next year...
 
You definitely need a larger gimbal for GH4 + Sigma 18-35mm combo, minimum gimbal for that would be a Came 7000+ as you need more power motor + bigger battery for the load. I will be using oly 12mm on the Gh4 (same setup for S900 aerial) if I am going to use it with N4000
 
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