Micro Gimbal for GH4, BMPCC, A7s - $699 USD

The cables are fine, the software works (I've tested windows and android), and the battery is fine.

I have yet to reach the "sweet spot" with this stabilizer -- but -- after having been through both "official" Steadicam and Glidecam training over the past decade -- I entirely understand that this stuff takes more than two days of refinement. I can tell any of you that the results, so far, are better than two or three days with Steadicam anything.

Stabilizer anything takes time, refinement, and practice. Any conclusion after two or three days does not serve you -- the reader.

I can report that this device is better than handheld anything (even with crappy balancing) -- especially with a CMOS sensor. And, if you're tracking a subject, the footage is entirely usable. I always test these things against footage that tracks nothing -- and in that context -- I'm still seeking the "sweet spot." And -- in that context -- it's still better than anything handheld. That's the truth.

I'm done.

My review unit broke down completely. Here is what happened.

1st. The cable that comes of the back of the roll arm to the sensor was bulging and rubbing against the frame causing it to be unstable. I didnt notice it until after I spent a lot of time trying to balance the roll. I got some help from Filmpower and they pointed me in the right direction to the problem. That tells me they have had this issue before. After pulling the cable tight and taking the bulge out I was able to balance the roll.

2nd. The Nebula 4000 Lite wont work at all with the software. No way to change anything and that's a problem even if the gimbal is designed for out of the box PID settings. If I wanted to try inverted mode or any fine tuning I cant.

3rd. The battery is now dead. I cant get it to work for more that two minutes and it goes whack and limp. I opened up the botom plate were the main board is mounted, but I have no idea what to look for. I cant see any loose wires or hints of what could be wrong.

I'm pretty disappointed because I feel it's an innovative product and I cant really test it anymore. What little I was able to do with it was great. I clearly have a defective unit with several issues. I'll see if Filmpower is willing to send me another one but I doubt that will happen. Good luck guys and thanks for the help. This thread is been a huge resource for anyone looking at the Nebula 4000 Lite.

Cheers!
Erik
 
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You can always install Windows on a Mac to overcome the problem of not being able to run some programs in the video world on a Mac. This isn't the first need for a dual platform computer that I have run across.
 
Can you two ease up? It's getting toxic in here.
Agreed, he's really creeping me out.

Go back to your blog dude. Then get into your PIDs. You're video is loaded with gitters, face it. Maybe you don't know how to adjust in the software?
1. Do you know what a blog is? I don't currently have one.
2. "You're" theoretical perception of "gitters" is past the point of Freudian anal-retentive diagnosis (and minimum standards in grammar for that matter).
3. I use SimpleBGC for tuning my CAME 7800. It's not necessary for my use of the NEBULA 4000 Lite, and I don't have time to goof around as a hobbyist for no practical creative benefit.

This was the second day I had the device and after I TUNED it, I tested it for what I intend to shoot with the gimbal.
Suggestion: turn your attention away from "gitters" and learn about fundamentals in exposure and color balance.

The 4 and 5 push of the button only calibrates the sensor (the thing that levels the camera) and the gyros to the INPUT PID VALUES on the board. Doing that only tells the gimbal what is center, level, and straight.
Yep, on this, your misunderstanding of a question posed by someone else, and then my peaceful correction, was the genesis of your whole tantrum that has by now gone creepy. Starting to pity you, and wishing you a better New Year of letting go whatever's burning you up inside with rage. Any creative success with gear like this is something I'll celebrate, while life is way too short for accommodating the classic insecure nitpicking male ego.

Moving away from the schoolyard, what's starting to worry me about this thing is a perceived looseness between the handle and the bottom axis, that seems to rock the whole rig into either of two positions just a tiny bit apart as I tilt (even as it's balanced perfectly). Wondering if it's something loose, or a sort of harmless physical illusion (though it seems to have gotten worse over time, albeit not enough to affect quality of capture).
 
RE: a perceived looseness between the handle and the bottom axis

My unit is rock solid, I can't get any tell-tale movement even when pulling them apart with both hands.
 
Agreed, he's really creeping me out.

No, it's mainly you. Dustylense has been contributing on this forum year after year, with his own particular and direct style, yes, but also being more helpful than anyone could ask. I'm grateful for his efforts.

Many of your posts however, contain disingenuous and manipulative elements, looking for whatever angle you can to score a point. Geez, you even used my post to do it. And that's to say nothing of you going outside this forum to belittle this discussion and its contributors.

I do wish that you would rise above it...so much of the info on this thread is gold, and generally speaking this is such a positive community.
 
I agree with StMad, I've read the whole thread and focuspulling really seems the more childish/condescending here, by far.
We're in a technical thread and dustylense always replied with detailed technical arguments, focuspulling keeps attacking on things that are absolutely not related to the topic discussed here. Not only is it irrelevant, it also shows serious lack of maturity/understanding of the subject.

1. Do you know what a blog is? I don't currently have one.
That's right, you don't have one, you have two ( hpaulmoon.com "MoonBlog" and facebook.com/focuspulling "A blog about the technology of independent filmmaking" ). Common...
 
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I think the rock climbing video is a cool piece and certainly a nice find/interesting subject.

The footage looks good, and if anything it has me very interested/ready to pull the trigger on the Olympus 9-18

There are jitters all over it. Not big, not terrible, but they are there.
 
The cables are fine, the software works (I've tested windows and android), and the battery is fine.

I'm glad your copy is "fine" I'm not sure what you are saying here. I hope your not implying I don't have these issue.

I also tested the software on a PC with the same results of not being able to change the settings. I have a defective unit.
 
That 2min warm-up is weird. Curious to see if you find a workaround for that (procedure that starts the unit with proper horizon) because when doing run n gun you don't always have 2 min...
 
Good stuff Doug.

About that listing to the side and two minute warm up. My thinking is that you are going from warm to cool to warm to near freezing and this is where you should do the 4 button and 5 button calibrations because of the various temperatures your operating in. Here in California where it's pretty much a constant temperature year round my copy of the gimbal levels immediately. The motors will be affected by temperature change and altitude change. Which is why there is a gyro calibration feature.

Try this. Stay inside in a constant temp and see if the gimbal is listing. Then run the onboard calibration of the sensor (4 button push to tell the board what is level) then run the calibration of the Gyro (5 button push to tell the motors whats up) turn it off and use the Gh4 leveler and see if it levels quicker. Then, go outside for a bit and let the snow cool down the gimbal and come back inside and turn it off and back on to see if the cold is affecting the unit.
Also, you might wanna look at the "I" setting in the PID's for the roll axis. That is the value that controls the speed at which the motor adjust to level. Obviously too high a setting is not always good. But maybe raising it to 0.04 or even 0.05. I'm on 0.03 but again, I'm in California, where we pay for our constant weather.


That sucks Erik that your unit failed. Feel free to contact me if you ever wanna use mine on a shoot and I will Fed-Ex it down to SD before you drop cash on something that might have you hesitant in buying.
 
This is a 9 minute sample of clips anyone can get right out of the box--handheld, full follow mode ( I didn't even bother switch to the two other modes that would have been better at times) , Sony RX10, shot 2 days after I got it, and it wasn't really properly balanced.

Nothing great, just shows how ANYBODY can get something that looks better, instantly.

And it is an affordable purchase for small business startups that often do their own web videos to save money, but want to look better than the regular Joe.

https://vimeo.com/114323928

And here is the finished product, 1 min 39 seconds.

https://vimeo.com/114499215

Sure enough that "right out of the box" ANYBODY is going to get better results stabilizing a camera. Especially if they have limited time or experience with other devices such as a steadicam type of device. There is no doubt to that. Even a poorly balanced camera on the N4000 with no PID adjustments are going to provide particularly better shots and opportunities. At the same time, "right out of the box" will also ruin what could have been a really well stabilized shot. Adjusting the PID's is really not all that hard. I've posted a couple videos that explain how to do it for people that are new to PID adjustments. It's really easier than one might think actually.

Look, when we balance a crane, do we not put the proper weight on the back? How about a steadicam? How about a timing belt on a car? All of these things require calibration. Same thing goes for the N4000. If you want it to work well for you, you need to calibrate it's settings for the performance you expect.

My right out of the box test were alright. But I saw the jitters. A couple of hours in the PID's and the jitters were gone. Easy. Now the device's performance boils down to how steady I can be. I can point it level, straight up or straight down, straight up to straight down, upside down, and back to level as long as my body and arm are relatively steady. I have profiles for the heavier Gh4 in all three modes, the lighter A7s and even the LX100. I also have profiles that I can use to go between the Gh4 and the A7s that gets me 97% great results.

So "IF" the gimbal holds up and doesn't break down it's become a pretty valuable device in my kit. In fact, my DJI Ronin might get really lonely as long as the N4000 keeps going. Although I would love a DJI version of this gimbal that could possibly fly about 3lbs.

So sure, you can get result with the device "right out of the box". But why not get great results digging into the PIDs?
 
Dusty, I tried running those tests inside and got the same result, two minutes each time, sometimes it happens between profile changes.

I got rid of the roll vibrations however, check it out. Thanks for everyone's help! I do like this thing.

 
Dusty, I tried running those tests inside and got the same result, two minutes each time, sometimes it happens between profile changes.

I got rid of the roll vibrations however, check it out. Thanks for everyone's help! I do like this thing.


That is really weird. When I switch mine on it levels in like 1 second.
I just looked at your settings again and they are really low compared to my settings. REALLY low. In fact, lower than my out of the box settings.
Also, that .01 on the "I" setting might just be why your gimbal takes forever to level. My roll "I" setting is .03

Edit: which also leads me to believe that there are variances from gimbal to gimbal.
I was going back and fourth with Dan Chung about some PIDs using the same camera package and we got slightly different results. But in the end I think I got him balanced out pretty good. He even had a N4000 tech come and run his PID's which were off.
Even so, as long as the device holds up and doesn't break, it's a good gimbal and design. And if it does break lets hope that Filmpower or who ever makes this thing has decent customer service. If not, I'm sure it will be vetted right here on DVXuser.
 
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Also, what we haven't even been discussed are the "deadband" settings. Not sure why it's taken me so long to even bring it up. It's what makes the performance of the gimbal work for users. Especially in panning. Deadband controls the dampening of the gimbal when in follow mode. If you want the gimbal to pan softer and slower, you increase the deadband and maybe even adjust the curve. Want the gimbal to pan quicker with less force, decrease the deadband. This adjustment it made to suit your style and how you want the gimbal to operate.

I bet FocusPulling has no idea what I'm talking about. I mean, straight out of the box and the gimbal is just brilliant. No need to make any adjustments to suit how you want the gimbal to work for you.
 
That sucks Erik that your unit failed. Feel free to contact me if you ever wanna use mine on a shoot and I will Fed-Ex it down to SD before you drop cash on something that might have you hesitant in buying.

You sir are a class act!

Filmpower has been very responsive with me and the issues that my copy has. I'm going to send it back so they can see whats going on with it. The good news is I seem to be the only one that has had issues so that's a good sign. I'm hoping they will send it back after they fix it and I can give it another go. From what I've seen so far it really is impressive and I really want one! As for battery life you should get two hours of use before it runs out.
 
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