Micro four thirds shooting video!

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Check it out! Panasonic has announce the first micro four thirds slr. The first model doesn't shoot video but 2 more will be anounce that DO SHOOT! This is awesome!

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/First-Micro-Four-Thirds-Camera-Announced-18986.htm

Also, check it out some cool photos (awesome LCD solution for video shooting!)

http://www.engadget.com/photos/panasonics-lumix-g1-worlds-first-micro-four-thirds-camera/1032659/

Man, it would be truly amazing if this could shoot some kick ass video with full manual control.

******UPDATE*****PANASONIC WILL INTRODUCE A MICRO FOUR THIRDS THAT DOES SHOOT PROGRESSIVE HD VIDEO*****IT'S NOT THE G1 THOUGH****
 
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Glad to see this, the micro-four-thirds page has been promoting high-quality video-mode as a benefit ("Benefit 2" to be exact). In many ways, the early indication is that the implementation is better suited for video-mode then the D90's (we'll have to wait and see if this is true or not).

http://www.four-thirds.org/jp/microft/index.html
http://panasonic.jp/dc/g1/high_quality.html

The DMC-G1 seems to be an indication of this even though it doesn't have HD-video recording (its only used for the electronic-view finder and LCD screen at this point).

Dpreview:
"The 4/3-type 12.1-megapixel Live MOS sensor featured in the DMC-G1 offers the best of both worlds – the superior image quality of a CCD sensor, and the lower power consumption of a CMOS sensor. New technology that makes it possible to read 4 channels of data simultaneously also helps the G1 deliver 60 frames-per-second Full-time Live View images, while faithfully reproducing high-resolution images with fine detail and rich gradation. . . resulting in the 1.44 million-dot equivalent sharp clear images at 60 fps. The Venus Engine HD also supports an extensive range of functions, including HDMI output." (1.44 million-dot is around 800x600.)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp
 
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the back LCD is crappy resolution
according to dpreview it's "The large 3.0-inch free-angle LCD, with its 100% field of view and sharp 460,000-dot resolution"

nikon and probably the latest canon 50d have ~960k dots resulting in 640x480 res on a new stripe array
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/page3.asp

there is no micro camera announced with video. it's your speculation it may have in the future but i really doubt it. olympus were the first to have liveview, in early 2006 i think. why such long time without video if it's all that simple for them?

also its half size sensor should be more in the camcorder area than aps-c and full frame sizes. that's why oly quit dslr business and does p&s DMC-G1 now. if they do video with their noisy sensor it'll be ugly looking


so your post should change to micro DOESN'T shoot video
 
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This is not going to give you 35mm depth of field, and this type of camera seems too tiny for my liking anyway.
Add to that the fact that I wouldn't use it for photography, and I'd be back to using two pieces of equipment instead of one. Pointless.
 
"While the format will allow future cameras with video recording, the G1 does not include a movie mode". Pana is supposed to introduce new cameras at Photokina, so there might be a surprise there. Like the D90, maybe this is far from perfect, but it's also a sign of times to come.
As for this camera being "pointless" for photography I think you should really do some research as to why a lot (I mean A LOT of people) won't move to SLR...size! A LOT of people would kill to have a small portable camera that allows them different lenses and SLR quality. Again I must go back to this may not be the perfect solution but it's a sign of things to come. All hail micro four thirds!
 
micro is a good replacement for expensive p&s cameras like G9. olympus' sales are low. they don't make a competitive dslr at all.
moving to this new market will save them for as long as no one else is interested in this market.

but it's not a digital rangefinder. it's too expensive for mass market and also not good for photojournalism or other potential usage (very few lenses, ugly iso, low fps, cheap slow AF system compared to dslr AF, the lack of a metering sensor will be a big problem and so on).

i'm sure it'll sell as good as G9 did, or fuji s100fs, but not much more. low end dslrs won't be affected by this.
 
rawfa said:
As for this camera being "pointless" for photography I think you should really do some research as to why a lot (I mean A LOT of people) won't move to SLR...size! A LOT of people would kill to have a small portable camera that allows them different lenses and SLR quality. Again I must go back to this may not be the perfect solution but it's a sign of things to come. All hail micro four thirds!
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I didn't mean pointless in general. Point and shoot cameras with video mode aren't pointless either. Millions of people use them every day. But that doesn't make these devices alternatives to the D90.
 
The only positive I see here is the 60fps refresh which implies a faster rolling shutter. Other than that, I can't get all that excited about 4/3rds anything. But I'm biased.
 
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kevm14 said:
The only positive I see hear is the 60fps refresh which implies a faster rolling shutter.
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first thing to know is that olympus uses ccd, not cmos. no rolling issue if it'll do video.

the liveview video at something like 512 or 640 at most could be sampled by reading only some pixels from the sensor's rgbg bayer pattern.

it's also important to see how fast the live histogram gets refreshed
if it refreshes very fast, many times per second, then that's a good thing, if it refreshes 1x a second..... the camera will record video at 1fps
 
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bearing said:
No it's not, 800 x 600 is 0.48 Mpixel. They (or you) forgot one of those megapixels =).

1.44 Mpixel is 1600 x 900 in a 16:9 aspect ratio.
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Well a 60fps 1600x900 EVF is a big improvement over past ones. But I still don't know if you can ever truly replace an optical viewfinder. It's probably at least decent though.
 
i see now, i was reading quickly the dpreview news

"The 4/3-type 12.1-megapixel Live MOS sensor featured in the DMC-G1 offers the best of both worlds – the superior image quality of a CCD sensor, and the lower power consumption of a CMOS sensor."

so probably it's a tweaked ccd to use low power.

and the Electronic Viewfinder
"Live View Finder, resulting in the 1.44 million-dot"

"dot" is the keyword. a dot is a color dot, 3 dots RGB one next to another look like a pixel to human eye
it's not a 1.44mp image!!!!

the back LCD is 460,000 dots so you can imagine it's just a little better than any p&s screen you have. still more than twice lower than on current dslrs like D90
look at this pictures
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonicG1/page3.asp
you can clearly see it's low res. compare with 920k lcd like on d300 images, you can't see the pixels at all

why this thread?
it DOESN'T record video change the title man. it has nothing to do with video or D90 forum
if oly will record video sometime it'll get a special forum, until then.....
 
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Madmanden said:
No, they use 0.48 Mpixel for each of the three channels. So it's 3 x 0.48 = 1.44 Mpixel. :)
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That means the D90 is a 4 Mpixel still camera and a 0.3 MPixel video camera then. =)
EDIT: Forget about this, I didn't realize they were talking about the LCD screen. Thought it was a video mode, but it does not record video.

I agree with ando, this thread should not be in this forum, maybe in a news section if that exists.
 
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Personally, I can see the relevance of these other HD video dslr/evf cameras here being that they are direct competition to the D90, and many people are still sitting on the side-lines about the D90 waiting to see what the competition will be doing first this month at Photokina. I came here for D90 news but found this post intersting. But I can also see what others are saying about it belonging in the news forum.

Regardless, Panasonic has announced the HD video feature (probably be in camera released next year according to some news outlets). We have yet to hear what Olympus will be showing. What I found interesing was that Panasonic announced a lens in their release schedule with "HD" in their naming (14-140mm F4-5.6 HD). Perhaps a lens designed specifically for HD video? Maybe AF and other features designed with video features in mind? I don't know, pure speculation.

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That means the D90 is a 4 Mpixel still camera and a 0.3 MPixel video camera then. =)
EDIT: Forget about this, I didn't realize they were talking about the LCD screen. Thought it was a video mode, but it does not record video.

I agree with ando, this thread should not be in this forum, maybe in a news section if that exists.
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Perhaps, my wording may have been unclear from my previous post. My bad. I just cut and paste most of it. But here is how imaging-resource explains it.

"As befits its heritage in the high-end broadcast TV field, the Panasonic G1's EVF has impressive specs. It has unusually high resolution for a camera EVF, displaying 800x600 (SVGA resolution) full-color pixels. (A total of 480,000 full-color pixels.) Panasonic equates this with 1.44 million dots in a conventional display, as most displays would need three separate dots for each full-color pixel. In practice, the effective perceptual equivalent of 480,000 full-color pixels is more like 960,000 RGB dots, but the fact remains that this is a very high-resolution, very smooth-looking display. As noted above, the G1's EVF also refreshes at 60 frames/second, so there's very little flicker or tearing with moving subjects."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCG1/DMCG1A.HTM
 
interesting. imaging-resource people as usual have detailed stuff

what's a killer is the price. according to CNET it'll be available in november at around $800. that's a big joke
it's not worth more than $5-600 kit with a very good lens. you don't get enough stuff to upgrade from either. very few lenses at unknown prices, the oly idiotic flash system...
 
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