Miami Dolphins unveil plan to host fans in stadium amid coronavirus pandemic

JPNola said:
I'm curious- what would have to take place for you to send you kid back to school? And have you considered the possibility that conditions may never come about where you will send your kid back to school? ( or allow them to have a job ).

Conditions in 5, 10 years may be the same as they are today.

We have not had a successful vaccine against this type of virus ever. EVER.

Are you potentially waiting for something that will never occur?
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As ahalpert said, I'll wait for either an effective vaccine, a full understanding of what the virus is with a reliable, tested course of treatment, and for the virus to burn through enough people for herd immunity to kick in, if it can, or for it to mutate into a less lethal form. There are coronaviruses we live with that are manageable and rarely lethal. They are beginning to suspect they are responsible for earlier pandemics in previous centuries that were initially deadly, but that humanity developed resistance to over time. The flu can be deadly, but it mostly only kills when people don't take it seriously and don't get proper treatment. Properly treated, the majority of flu cases resolve in a few weeks. There are still many people who get treated for Covid-19 and die anyway, because doctors don't know enough yet. Time is really the only weapon we have against this disease and there's no way to speed it up. Vaccines take time to develop and test. Drugs take time to develop and test. You need repeated controlled trials, judging its effectiveness with a placebo and long term side effects. You can't cheat that process. I've accepted we have 1 to 3 years before things get back to normal. This isn't a time for prosperity, only survival. My daughter only has one more year of high school left. By the time she's ready to get a job this will probably be behind us. There is a small possibility this never resolves, or the virus mutates into an even worse form. If that happens, my daughter and I will have more to worry about than just getting a job.
 
I'm optimistic that we have 6-12 months before a combination of vaccines and therapeutics lower the danger enough for life to return to normal
 
ahalpert said:
I'm optimistic that we have 6-12 months before a combination of vaccines and therapeutics lower the danger enough for life to return to normal
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If there has been one constant in this pandemic it's that the most conservative estimates have turned out to be the most accurate. The WHO is currently estimating two years before the virus is under control.
 
ahalpert said:
Hmm it seems to me that there are numerous operable vaccines in trials now
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Not saying there won't be a vaccine, but you should know that science has never successfully come up with a vaccine for ANY coronavirus. Ever.

"And even if the situation were as bleak as you imply, I would like to make a definitive determination of that before resigning myself to the consequences of lowering our guard"

How would it be possible to make a definitive determination that there won't be a vaccine for many years? One cannot know. And that was my point. One might be holding out for something that will never come or will only come many years from now.


Tough to know what to do, especially regarding kids. I get that. And the info is all over the place. Now there is suggestion that Sweden has reached something close to herd-immunity ( depending on who you ask ) and Sweden's top coronavirus expert is of the opinion that "masks were a mistake". His reasoning being that the masks give people a false sense of security, the masks doing very little to prevent transmission.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rus-expert-warns-wearing-masks-dangerous.html

So...herd immunity is the way out? But what if natural immunity from having contracted the virus lasts only a few months?:

"First Covid-19 reinfection documented in Hong Kong, researchers say"

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/24...tion-documented-in-hong-kong-researchers-say/

[ The actual Mortality Rate is always a best-guess and can never be known because you'd have to know of every death and that just isn't possible. ]


What a mess.
 
JPNola said:
How would it be possible to make a definitive determination that there won't be a vaccine for many years? One cannot know. And that was my point. One might be holding out for something that will never come or will only come many years from now.
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I'm willing to wait more than half a year to try to figure out if we can save millions of lives worldwide.

Remember the Star Trek TOS episode "The Conscience of the King"?

"Kodos "the Executioner," former governor of the Earth colony of Tarsus IV. Kodos seized power when the food supply of the colony was nearly destroyed and the people faced starvation. He ordered that half the population be put to death to solve the food crisis, to which both Leighton and Kirk were eyewitnesses. A supply ship arrived earlier than scheduled, but too late to prevent the massacre."
 
Batutta said:
If there has been one constant in this pandemic it's that the most conservative estimates have turned out to be the most accurate. The WHO is currently estimating two years before the virus is under control.
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I disagree. The CDC projected at the beginning of May that the US would reach 200k Covid deaths by the end of June. We still haven't. Here was their forecast:

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Fauci predicts a vaccine by early next year. Combine a vaccine rolling out over next year with unforeseen therapeutic discoveries (who predicted remdesivir?) and we have the potential to get back to business as usual some time next year.

I think people tend to overreact due to recency bias. If you had asked someone last year if a pandemic like this could stop the US in its tracks, they probably would have said no way - that's 20th century stuff. Now, people are acting like we'll have another one in 5 or 10 years. My guess is that they will be more often than before, but perhaps then every 50 years and not 100.

Plus, I need a more hopeful outcome to pray for for the sake of my morale. If we're quarantined for 2-3 years, so be it. But I'll take it one month at a time
 
Bills/Jets today...the broadcast is providing an absolute master class in pumping crowd noise into a game with an empty stadium.

Superior mixing for every run, catch; even the little things like 3rd down excitement, sacks, flags, dB changes.

Totally 110% on board this can work well. Really incredible work if any northeast life-long football fans would like to check it out and compare.
 
From what I've seen over the last two days(college and NFL) it's totally believable, until you see the stands. Then the illusion is broken.

Watching the Rams/Cowboys right now. You know they're sick. Five BILLION dollar stadium, opening weekend and no fans...
 
A friend posts on facebook.

"The worst thing about watching the Dolphins is having to watch all the political ads".

My reply :

"The worst thing about watching the Dolphins is watching the Dolphins".

I mostly watched the Packers at the Vikings. I turned the TV off at half-time.
 
ahalpert said:
My guess is that they will be more often than before, but perhaps then every 50 years and not 100.
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SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) – virus identified in 2003 https://www.who.int/ith/diseases/sars/en/

MERS occurred in Jordan in April 2012 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/about/index.html

prior pandemics https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus)

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus)

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)
 
NorBro said:
Bills/Jets today...the broadcast is providing an absolute master class in pumping crowd noise into a game with an empty stadium
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Agreed. Dolphins/Pats on CBS at 1pm was really well done, well mixed, ebbs and flows (Dolphins lost, of course, even with no Brady).

So surreal to see the WS's of the empty stadium, then hear the "crowd" energy increase as the players line up.

But then the 4pm Fox broadcast of Bucs/Saints turned it up a notch- the rise and fall, "oohs" and "boos"- incredible.

A friend told me the NBA used crowd sound from video games. I don't know where the football nat is coming from, but the sources and live editing/mixing was excellent.

I'd love to know how it's done- samples, loops? Triggered by what?

Fox has always had more player hitting/crunching sound, and with control of "the crowd", this was assured.
I was reading about parabolic mics, and found out the QB's cadence/audibles are picked up by a mic on the back of the center's pads, not the parabolic.

But Fox's sound was just superb, I'd love to watch it mixed live.

PS (to quote a wise one)- funny moment when they went to the booth and Aikmen's light was off and he was reaching out to turn it on, saw he was on-cam and stretched his arms wide in a "WTF?!?" moment...

murmur, murmur... YAY!!!
 
Dropped Howard and Breida from Fantasy this morning. Thought I might have picked up a pair of sleepers late (with one winning the job) as they are obviously both talented in the right system with opportunities, but just not waiting past week 1 to find out.

What is it with Miami and RBs in the last 4,5 years?
 
Anyone else noticing the "crowd noise" completely dropping out every so often on the MNF game tonight? The booth will still be there, but the "crowd" will drop for like a second and then just come back.
 
This one isn't a great broadcast...not sure what's going on. (I'm watching it on ABC where the refs' mics were hot earlier in the night.)
 
NorBro said:
This one isn't a great broadcast...not sure what's going on. (I'm watching it on ABC where the refs' mics were hot earlier in the night.)
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Not one to hang their hat on, especially for the 50th anniversary game/broadcast. I watched on ESPN. Flipped over to ABC for just a second before kick-off when they said they were simulcasting tonight. Audio and picture coming through my local ABC affiliate was not as good compared to ESPN directly. Image was a little muddy, but the audio was sub-par and immediately noticeable and what caught my attention first.

And yes, I did notice the hot ref mic in the first half.

We're much more sensitive to audio issues or bad audio than we are bad video.

Also: Did anyone else catch the halftime report that said the league handed down over $1 million in fines for not wearing masks on the sidelines for Sunday's games. Three coaches fined $100K and their respective teams fined $250K.
 
As far as the fines, the enforcement behind the protocol is as ridiculous as other COVID guidelines, especially being able to take off your mask to eat or drink in public locations.

First of all, all of the head coaches from Week 1 had them off at some point or another, but the league only decided to make an example out of three whom I guess maybe made less of an effort to put them back on after calling a play.

Secondly, Gruden and Payton both barely had theirs on tonight so I am interested in hearing if they will be fined.

Lastly, the entire organization gets together for daily activities, practices and travels with each other every day/week. At some point at some time, someone doesn't have a mask on at all times. The players definitely don't and I'm assuming many of the coaches don't either on their own turf in their own buildings, Tuesday-Friday.

It makes no sense that it would all of a sudden make any difference when they step out on the field for the game.
 
You've left off that they are all tested and those who come up positive are quarantined even if they're not showing any symptoms.

So, it's all for show.

PS. I was watching the US Open with no fans and the Buffalo-Miami game with some fans in the stands. The Miami locals sat in a 100+ degree heat with the anti-Covid masks on. Additionally, the contest was suspended for 35 minutes due to a lightning storm in the area. And yet there were still folks at the stadium at the end. I hope the hot dogs were worth it.
 
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